Sony f35 with odyssey 7q - ongoing experiences and evolutions

mlysbakken said:
I suggest you read through the main thread, SJX. No use in asking questions that have already been discussed thoroughly in a more constructive manner. Remember that we all made educated choices when we bought our F35s. We know what the camera can and can't do, and we have made no attempt at hiding that throughout this subforum.
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Like I said I have looked around and couldn't find anything besides abstract tests. What I'm looking for is more in the vein of what James has posted. Can you point me to something like that? I looked and couldn't find. Thanks.
 
I suggest you start a new thread with all of your questions. After all, they aren't very relevant for this particular thread. I don't know whether anyone has posted any actual night footage yet, or if that's something which has only been discussed in words.

In any case, the bottom line is that this isn't much of a lowlight camera. It's just as good as a red MX, though, because the F35s grain is much more tolerable than the fixed-pattern ugliness of the red. Also, you can actually push the gain quite a bit before noise becomes a problem (meaning the +3 in James' picture shouldn't bother you at all).
Personally, most of the stuff I have shot has been in natural light, and the color and highlight rolloff is beautiful. You don't need a million dollar lighting budget to make the camera shine. Personally I haven't used the cam at night yet, though. When I'm going to shoot at night without any lights I know that I'm better off just renting a C300 instead.

Edit: Come to think of it, I remember seeing a lowlight test on youtube. Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIucAcLcTLs I believe the last bit is exactly what you're looking for. The whole video is horribly graded, though. Can't have used the correct LUT. Looks more like F3 footage
 
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Hi Periferic

Unfortunately, the F35 gets its timecode from the attached recorder - not the other way around. The F35's record button and timecode functions are designed to link to an SRW-1 deck.

Now, if you had the SRW-1 deck on the F35, plugged into a nano, then it'd work, but I think that kinda defeats the point...
 
JMtheDP said:
Now, if you had the SRW-1 deck on the F35, plugged into a nano, then it'd work, but I think that kinda defeats the point...
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I think I'd pay to see that, just for the entertainment factor. I wouldn't pay a LOT mind you, but that laugh would be worth about $1.99 to me. :D

But turning more serious, has anybody here tried shooting with the SRW-1 on the camera? How was it (besides heavy)?
 
I shot this on the F35 and the SRW1 back in the days when the F35 as pretty expensive.


It was good because we were able to shoot at 21fps.
We had a DIT to take care of the recorder and all those confusing menus though.
 
Amazing footage as always MAC. I would hate to have tried some of those shots on a DSLR or C300, would be some serious jello-vision going on!
 
Lovely!

My guess is that the 21fps was to make the footage feel faster when conformed to 24. A lot of vehicle scenes for film are shot under cranked. One, it allows drivers to go slower (and thus improve safety) while still allowing the final product to feel fast and dangerous.

I'm half interested in trying out using the SRW1 kit. Anyone have one I can borrow for a bit? My system didn't come with one.
 
Is the F35 capable to output 12-bit 444 25fps on the dual link HDSDI on IF Box or is this "just" a recorder problem? Is the SRW-1 the only option to record the 12-bit 444 signal?
 
Dein Zimmer,

The F35 can output 12-bit 4:4:4 @ up to 30fps from one interface box over dual link SDI.

The SRW-1 CAN NOT record 12-bit, only 10. This is a limitation of the HDCAM SR tape format.

The only official option that existed when the F35 was "current" for recording 12-bit footage was the Codex Onboard recorder.

There are a couple of recorders which can do 12-bit, but one of the main problems is a lot of them only take 3G sdi, so you need a multiplexer.
 
JMtheDP said:
Dein Zimmer,

The F35 can output 12-bit 4:4:4 @ up to 30fps from one interface box over dual link SDI.

The SRW-1 CAN NOT record 12-bit, only 10. This is a limitation of the HDCAM SR tape format.

The only official option that existed when the F35 was "current" for recording 12-bit footage was the Codex Onboard recorder.

There are a couple of recorders which can do 12-bit, but one of the main problems is a lot of them only take 3G sdi, so you need a multiplexer.
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Wait you're forgetting about Sony's SR-R1.
 
Mac

Quite right. I try and blot the SR-R1 out of my mind because it is a constant reminder of the recorder Sony SHOULD have built ;)

I mentioned the Codex mainly because I am not sure the SR-R1 was ever used on any big F35 shoots? I think it came a bit too late?

James
 
Maybe I have not been very precise asking my question. I know that the SRW 1 and the Codex M fully support the F35 Interface and the 12-bit 444 signal. But does the Dual HDSDI at the IF box also output the 444 12-bit signal? So all comes down to a recorder problem!
 
Deinzimmer

I did answer this for you, but to make it clear:

The HD-SDI output from the IF box WILL output the 12-bit signal (with the correct firmware in camera)

The SRW-1 DOES NOT RECORD 12-BIT!

The Codex does.

James
 
deinzimmer said:
Maybe I have not been very precise asking my question. I know that the SRW 1 and the Codex M fully support the F35 Interface and the 12-bit 444 signal. But does the Dual HDSDI at the IF box also output the 444 12-bit signal? So all comes down to a recorder problem!
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I can affirm JMtheDP's answer on this matter -

The IF box can output 12bit RGB 444 signals over dual link, and I have successfully recorded them to the Sony SR-R1.

The SRW-1, by the nature of it's specifications and the specifications of HDCAM-SR tape is a purely 10bit system from end to end.

It is, as you say - a recorded problem.
 
Worth also highlighting I guess that 12-bit output came in a firmware update and that you must enable 12 bit output in the system setting for it to be output.
 
whats the highest bit able to be captured by the 7Q? 1080p at 10bit? I feel like getting the F35 instead of the F55 or F65 is my wisest choice if i can get an EF mount on it. I wouldnt need to spend a fortune on new glass and drive media.
 
Baddgsx, why not get a BMCC in EF mount (or MFT with Speedbooster adapter) and be done with it? You will be happy with the onboard SSD recording, small form factor, EF mount, and shooting Prores with the film gamut will get you something similar to the F35's slog. You may not notice the difference.

I really wouldn't recommend trying to fit a camera like the F35 into constraints like a EF lens collection. It deserves to be used on its own terms.
 
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