Sony a7III

I think he's just trolling XD
(if you transform the values from a 14-bit RAW into 10-bit log but don't debayer, it's still RAW, and it would be an awesome image; you can make that 8-bit and if it's not compressed it will probably still look good, but all of this requires new image processors because it's not standard, and I doubt anybody is going to make one of those today and keep it 8-bit)

Regarding people leaving their GH5(s) for an a7 III: not going to happen. They are targetting completely different markets (video shooters that can't spend too much or like the stills form factor and occasionally take some stills, vs still shooters that occasionally shoot some video). The one that should target GH5(s) users is the a7S III, so it must definitely have 4k 60 fps, and I don't really care that much about 10-bit but I try not to say it too often because it would actually be welcome so let's say it's mandatory and nobody will buy an 8-bit video camera in 2018 anymore.
 
Samuel H said:
I think he's just trolling XD
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You know me so well.

Also, I agree about the GH5 vs A7 meeting two different markets (but with a lot of overlap). The GH5 offers the opportunity to work with better tonality in the image. There is a richness to having a little more data in the image files. While I may not prefer the color, latitude, and sensitivity, it offers more gradation and tonality. 8bit is only good enough. Even with huge files on the 1DC, 8bit snarled and kicked in post. It is far more difficult to get nice skin gradation on a Sony A7 in the medium and wide shots because of compression and in part 8bit. On most little or fast gigs, it is less about needing raw, but more about needing just a little bit less compression and a little more gradations.

The Red cameras and BMD are fine, but they are a different bread of camera, so I don't really compare them. The size and weight and power use all point to them being more for productions, and less for subtle little RnG or hobbyists. But hobbyists won't really always want to use 8bit and they may want a little less compression. There is a virtue to the subtle strength of a file size that is neither here nor there, because it can give you better results without tipping over the boat. 4K 8bit 100mbs log is just not a pretty file to grade, and takes a lot of discipline as a shooter to get good tonality.
 
James0b57 said:
You know me so well.

Also, I agree about the GH5 vs A7 meeting two different markets (but with a lot of overlap). The GH5 offers the opportunity to work with better tonality in the image. There is a richness to having a little more data in the image files. While I may not prefer the color, latitude, and sensitivity, it offers more gradation and tonality. 8bit is only good enough. Even with huge files on the 1DC, 8bit snarled and kicked in post. It is far more difficult to get nice skin gradation on a Sony A7 in the medium and wide shots because of compression and in part 8bit. On most little or fast gigs, it is less about needing raw, but more about needing just a little bit less compression and a little more gradations.

The Red cameras and BMD are fine, but they are a different bread of camera, so I don't really compare them. The size and weight and power use all point to them being more for productions, and less for subtle little RnG or hobbyists. But hobbyists won't really always want to use 8bit and they may want a little less compression. There is a virtue to the subtle strength of a file size that is neither here nor there, because it can give you better results without tipping over the boat. 4K 8bit 100mbs log is just not a pretty file to grade, and takes a lot of discipline as a shooter to get good tonality.
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Yup, agreed on all accounts.
 
Apart from the a7S III with 4k 60 fps and eye-detect PDAF in video mode, my other wish for NAB is a Pocket II with APS-C 4.6k sensor. It seems that's the one you'd want. Let's see if we get lucky...
 
Max's note about Sony's engineers telling him the last three new cameras are using new processors (hence no overheating) is a great sign the a7SIII is definitely getting 4K/60p.
 
I personally would like to see a DSLR with less rolling shutter.
This is the single most telling aspect of this level of video capture today.

I also think the A7S III should have 10bit somewhere (either external or internal).
However, I sincerely doubt that will happen anytime soon.

So Sony being Sony, I would say 4K 60p is the least they can give to distinguish this camera from their others.
Thus, sadly the most likely outcome.
 
yoclay said:
I personally would like to see a DSLR with less rolling shutter.
This is the single most telling aspect of this level of video capture today.

I also think the A7S III should have 10bit somewhere (either external or internal).
However, I sincerely doubt that will happen anytime soon.

So Sony being Sony, I would say 4K 60p is the least they can give to distinguish this camera from their others.
Thus, sadly the most likely outcome.
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If Sony just give 10bit + 4k 60p (like the surprise spec for a7III), they still wont lost a ton of sell to hurt the FS series tho (FS5 and FS7 still hold thier value), unlike Canon they can too much to protect against thier C lineup.
And Sony will just win and beat pana and canon forever in this category. :)
 
yoclay said:
I personally would like to see a DSLR with less rolling shutter.
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The GH5s has faster rolling shutter than, say, the BlackMagic 4.6k, the Scarlet, the FS7, or the C200. And the a7R III is not far behind all of these. All in 4k mode. Link.

This a7 III test looks good at first sight, but I still haven't had time to take the measurements.
 
James0b57 said:
You know me so well.

Also, I agree about the GH5 vs A7 meeting two different markets (but with a lot of overlap). The GH5 offers the opportunity to work with better tonality in the image. There is a richness to having a little more data in the image files. While I may not prefer the color, latitude, and sensitivity, it offers more gradation and tonality. 8bit is only good enough. Even with huge files on the 1DC, 8bit snarled and kicked in post. It is far more difficult to get nice skin gradation on a Sony A7 in the medium and wide shots because of compression and in part 8bit. On most little or fast gigs, it is less about needing raw, but more about needing just a little bit less compression and a little more gradations.

The Red cameras and BMD are fine, but they are a different bread of camera, so I don't really compare them. The size and weight and power use all point to them being more for productions, and less for subtle little RnG or hobbyists. But hobbyists won't really always want to use 8bit and they may want a little less compression. There is a virtue to the subtle strength of a file size that is neither here nor there, because it can give you better results without tipping over the boat. 4K 8bit 100mbs log is just not a pretty file to grade, and takes a lot of discipline as a shooter to get good tonality.
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Well said I agree on all accounts.
 
Just ordered mine. Dollar for dollar it will be hard to beat and certainly suit my needs, my present lens inventory and should stand up for a couple years. Just one other comment I have to react to. Earlier someone posted that its hdmi port was not full size and thus not professional. I agree sorta, but must say I don't think ANY hdmi port is professional, they are all a pain in the butt and flimsy. SDI is professional.
 
I just measured the rolling shutter of the a7 III using this clip, and the results are pretty good: 24.3 ms in 4k FF 25fps, and 8.7ms in 1080p FF 25fps. Full table for comparison here.

And the best part is that I'm starting to see a pattern in recent Sony cameras. The a99 II, a7R III and a7 III have almost identical rolling shutter speeds, with 4k FF at a very respectable 23-24 ms, and 1080p FF at a nobody-should-complain-anymore 8-9 ms.
 
yes
Still has the European limit on it. But Max Yurev (spelling) on YouTube made a comment about that tax being dropped as of 2019. If that is indeed true I imagine a frimware update would fix that. If not..... keep an eye on the time. I should also add I have been unable to find anything to concur with this end date however maybe someone else will have better luck. As for the Play Memories hack, it won't work on this camera as it does not use apps due to a change is processor and programming language. Sony has said this is the reason, but maybe the backdoors in the PlayMemories app prompted that change of code.
 
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Firstbase said:
Of course, using an external recorder would clear that hurdle, too.
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Yeah, to me, small mirrorless cameras hooked up to heavy 7" external 4K recorders (ever held or weighed a Shogun with the big Sony batteries on the back so it'll run a while?) defeat the whole purpose of the camera, which is to be small, inconspicuous and portable. If your going to spend that much money and haul that much weight, it's kind of myopic to just not buy a real video camera.
 
puredrifting said:
Yeah, to me, small mirrorless cameras hooked up to heavy 7" external 4K recorders (ever held or weighed a Shogun with the big Sony batteries on the back so it'll run a while?) defeat the whole purpose of the camera, which is to be small, inconspicuous and portable. If your going to spend that much money and haul that much weight, it's kind of myopic to just not buy a real video camera.
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I hear ya and somewhat agree. But consider that a "real video camera" costs more than twice as much and some do not have the budget. If using the camera / Odyssey tandem for interviews, camera tripod-mounted, it isn't really a big deal. And you still have the option of going back to fly-weight mode for use on a gimbal- something the Fs7, C300, Vari-cam cannot do. Consider that the smallest and most light-weight of all ARRI camera models has become the most in-demand ARRI camera. Despite the fact that much rigging and accessorizing is required to make it into a shoulder-mounted camera or make it into a studio camera.
 
I don't disagree with your point about buying a full size camcorder, I have an Z150 that I really enjoy working with and is simple. And I should also say that I have no need or client base to support the investment in an F7 or F5 or other camera despite the temptation. There are distinct advantages to both camcorder and mirrorless as we all know and in my case the 29.59 limit is not a major issue and I am sure that eventually there will be either a firmware or hack to deal with it. But surely among the ranks here of dvxuser or elsewhere someone could answer how Panasonic has since dropped the time limit and whether Sony will too..
 
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I ordered one. I traded-in my loathsome A6500. If the A7III is even slightly less loathsome then it's money well spent.
 
^ Well, rolling shutter is A LOT better, and hopefully the 1080p modes will look a lot sharper. Plus you get a much bigger battery, and a youstick for AF control when shooting stills. The a6500 looks like a niche product now, with the a7 III out for not-really-that-much-more-money.
 
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