Sony a6300 announced
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Could they fix this with a firmware upgrade anyway?
Who knows, but it's not a "bug" it's a limitation of hardware I guess.
+1
Basically it's got video features of 1DX mark II minus 4K60p for 1/6 of a price. Actually with slog and xavc it exceeds 1DXII specs.
The Canon is a massively great still camera and in video mode it shoots 4:2:2 8bit in camera.
Agreed! To me lack of a touch screen is the biggest imperfection! It would add so much to the camera with that AF system...:-(
IBIS would be great but I feel like is asking too much for that price, given all the other great features.
Anyway I think this one will be my first Sony camera...haha...just waiting to see some high ISO/low light images...
Samuel H
Major Contributor
I still see room for an a5 that puts this APS-C sensor inside the a7 II body, selling for $1300 body-only. For people who can spend $300 more for IBIS and a bigger body, and maybe less overheating (seeing the crop in 4K 30fps, heat is probably going to be an issue on the a6300: something is running right at its limit at 4K 24fps).
AX series is full frame. AXXXX is APS-C, so it'd have to be something like an A7300. There's still room for the $2,000 4K "A5" too though.
Unlikely. Most Sony models shoot 1080 at 50 Mbps with the help of XAVC S.
John Godden
Well-known member
This Sony looks like another great camera from the specs and promo vids. That said, how many times has this scenario played us for fools.
I'm hoping this time is different.
I'm hoping this time is different.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
Actually, what other Ax models are there to judge by? Unless I am missing something, all of the full frame mirrorless cameras have been variations of the A7 moniker (s, R, ii, etc). I don't see any reason to assume that single digit models are all FF. Rather, I'd assume they are all going to be higher-end models than the 4-digit line, much like the way other manufacturers do. For example, Canon has the 1100D, 550D, 60D, etc, then they have the more expensive and less consumer-y line single digit D like the 1D, 5D, 7D, etc. The single-digit just means it is a more expensive higher end model that costs more- some are FF, some are APS-H, some are APS-C.
Nikon does something similar, where less digits usually means higher end (D300 was a weather sealed pro body whereas the D3000 is a much cheaper entry level starter camera. However some Dxxx models are full frame, some are not). I think most camera companies have similar numbering schemes, however I'll admit that many defy any obvious logical constructs.
Anyway, I'm rambling... point is, Samuel's idea isn't a crazy one. We've heard rumors of a more pro-bodied A9 series since before the ii series of the A7 came out. I could see a middle tier A5 sitting in between the consumer-oriented 4-digit models and the full frame A7. And it could totally be a more rugged pro-sumer APSC cam like Canon's 7D.
Yes, the camera would physically be capable of FHD 24p at 100mpbs, but I doubt they'd offer it. I believe it has to do with weighing the perceived benefits of a particular feature versus making standard features inaccessible to the average consumer. I'd guess that they determined 50mbps to be the "sweet spot" for full HD bitrate in XAVCS. High enough detail to be better than most codecs, but still manageable for the vast majority of memory cards and home-editing software. If the average consumer noticed a "higher quality mode", they might think they *must* shoot everything in this mode to get the best quality, and then complain to Sony that footage from this camera chokes. I mean, we saw with the GH2 that the camera was capable of much higher bitrates than the firmware allowed, but at some point it got a little bit crazy, requiring memory cards that cost more than the body! At some point, they have to just make a call regarding what's "worth it".
I'd guess that the super high frame rate stuff didn't hold up as well at 50, so their formula shifted towards "worth it" for those modes. But for FHD, we've already seen on other cameras that they keep it squarely at 50 even if higher bitrates for other modes are available.
Interesting- how many times HAS that scenario played out with a Sony product for you? So far, I've found Sony's products to pretty much deliver what I expected. Sometimes more so.
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Samuel H
Major Contributor
* The RX100 IV shoots 4K and 1080p 120fps at 100Mbps, but every other option is 50 Mbps, and that's how I'd expect it to be on the a6300 too (so, same as others have said)
* Call it however you like, but a $1300 Sony "a7II-body-with-a6300-sensor" makes sense to me
* In any case, if DR in slog3 is not better than that of the a7S II, which I really don't think will happen, I think I'm going to pass on the a6300 and also on a possible a5/a7300. My RX100 IV is so strong in so many areas that I don't really see the need so far (shallow DoF is the only thing I'm missing, but really, this little toy is a beast). I'm holding for an a7 III with internal 4K60 and no aliasing/moire, much cheaper than the a7S II. It can also be the a7 IV, if they drag their feet. No hurry on my side.
* Call it however you like, but a $1300 Sony "a7II-body-with-a6300-sensor" makes sense to me
* In any case, if DR in slog3 is not better than that of the a7S II, which I really don't think will happen, I think I'm going to pass on the a6300 and also on a possible a5/a7300. My RX100 IV is so strong in so many areas that I don't really see the need so far (shallow DoF is the only thing I'm missing, but really, this little toy is a beast). I'm holding for an a7 III with internal 4K60 and no aliasing/moire, much cheaper than the a7S II. It can also be the a7 IV, if they drag their feet. No hurry on my side.
Sony could be in the holding pattern for their mid-to-upscale market products at this juncture. Their existing models - FS7, A7R/SII - are selling so well, they're not interested in upsetting the apple cart and may have to wait until their cinema line (F5/55/65) is updated first. From the technical point of view, Sony can easily make an A9 (mirrorless) or A99 MKII with an oversampled 4K, sufficiently high dynamic range, a pro codec and the required feature set to make a higher end camera virtually superfluous for anything but the high budget features. Moreover, they can easily make it for under $5,000 and I don't think they want to move there just yet.* Call it however you like, but a $1300 Sony "a7II-body-with-a6300-sensor" makes sense to me
As to their lineup, they obviously have a room for a "high end" APS-C model with the bandied about 36 MPX sensor for ~ $1,300-$1,500 as well as for the "entry level" full frame 4K camera based on A7 - with the features similar to A6300 - for about $2,000. Some of these potential cameras can be verboten for them too, as D500 right now holds that $2,000 APS-C 4K niche with no one else offering a competing product.
M. Gilden
Canon DSLR Moderator
There's no headphone jack.
ReelFilmGeek
Well-known member
I could possibly live without a headphone jack if there are audio meters. Plus don't the sony audio atachments have a headphone jack?
No, the XLR-K1M and XLR-K2M do NOT have a headphone jack (at least as far as I've seen... I've only spent limited time with one, but it only had the two XLRs.
rawfa
Veteran
I know there isn't. When I say "control and monitor" I mean to be able to adjust the audio levels and to be able to see the audiometer like in all of Sony's full frame cameras. Other then that I will use a beachtek anyway.