FS7: So what IS the OMB ENG solution..

Well one can clearly see alaising that is not there in full scan mode. Im not saying you (or I) care

My feeling on that lens is that it would have a human fluidity to telling stories, the lines per inch are certainly sourced elsewhere like shooting full scan 4k

fullscan 4k is of course a huge menu dig to get to HFR

My lines 'res test'

 
icarusfilm said:
The performance of center crop depends wholly on the resolving power of the lens and the Fuji is definitely super sharp. I just shot with it over the weekend and it holds up perfectly in crop.
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Very encouraging . This what I'd like to see someone do with the 18-110.

I tried this with the Tamron 24-70 and it was not so great.
 
morgan_moore said:
Well one can clearly see alaising that is not there in full scan mode. Im not saying you (or I) care

My feeling on that lens is that it would have a human fluidity to telling stories, the lines per inch are certainly sourced elsewhere like shooting full scan 4k

fullscan 4k is of course a huge menu dig to get to HFR


Why are you seeing aliasing in center crop.. should be the same for the OLPF .. your just cutting into the center of the sensor..? HFR in full scan you might .. as your treating the sensor as 2K but with a 4K OLPF.. ?
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icarusfilm said:
the canon 8-64mm t2.4 is probably one of the finest super 16 Zooms out there its super sharp its 2.4 through the range and Im seeing it used at around 5K US.
I can't imagine it lacking anything for standard 1080 Jobs.
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Servo zoom. Let's not forget that it is lacking a servo. So the Sony 18-110mm has that leg up on the vintage Canon s16. Just depends I guess on how often you need a slow-paced zooming shot where the zoom is feathered on and off. If the servo on the 18-110mm is anything like the servo on the 28-135mm, you aren't going to get B4-like servo action where you can near-imperceptibly begin and end the zoom. That is to say, it isn't truly "infinitely variable speed" servo zoom.

This has been a very fine thread indeed, gents. I've learned a lot from it and have enjoyed reading the collective brainstorming.

One thing I will say about that vintage Canon s16 zoom is that it is proportionally a good fit with the Fs7. The Canon 17-120mm isn't. It looks like a camera stuck on a lens, rather than a lens stuck on a camera. In the Canon 17-120mm's defense, it is a very fine lens in numerous aspects. I know a commercial DP who so likes the image of the Canon 17-120mm that he barely brings out his set of primes anymore. He and his clients are very happy with what the 17-120mm is giving them. It has sped up his shoots significantly. Fewer shots that were not obtained as a result of running out of light and / or time. It delivers efficiency without being that much of a step down from primes. Not nearly as much as a step down from primes as are some of the other zooms being discussed in this thread, that is. I'm not claiming that it directly competes with Super Speeds, Cooke primes, or any of the high-end cinema primes. Horses for courses.


btw- I heard that Juan Martinez was fired from Sony.
 
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Only as sure as third-hand info. This came from a cam owner / friend who is friends with a cam owner who is very close with Sony USA.

I did see where some folks on the Sony forum were asking why Juan ceased interacting on the forum and had gone into what one member described as "radio silence".


I repeat, I heard that Juan was let go. I do not know it to be fact. It isn't the sort of thing that a company issues a press release for. Only a rumor at this point.

I found it valuable to have a Sony employee interacting on the forum. I don't know why it is that companies don't often have reps interacting in online forums. If I where in charge at Fujinon, I would have a qualified Fuji rep chiming into the discussions on dvxuser regarding the Fujinon products. Same for Sachtler, O'Connor, Chrosziel, Canon, Zeiss- all of them. Why not have someone interacting with the users, offering advice, recommending the brand products, and providing answers to questions?? Sony Electronics Professional Solutions Americas has a bazillion people working in Customer Relations, Sales, and Marketing. They can't spare one person to be dedicated to online discussions of Sony professional products and social media activity regarding Sony professional products? Seems it would only make sense that you have someone to chime in when a Sony product is being misrepresented, misunderstood, or dissed unfairly. Someone to clear things up and provide the brand with a presence. Which is sorta what Juan was doing, albeit only on Sony's own forum.

Massive companies yet they are mostly mute in regard to online activity.
 
Many years ago I had a problem with Sony Content Browser when it didn't recognize a perfectly good shot that had run out the card while it was running. Something like that anyway. The file was fine through drag and drop but Content Browser didn't see a 40min take. Juan came across my post on DVX User , contacted me, asked to send hime the file and a month later contacted me to say that Sony had fixed the problem in the new version of CB. I was astonished at that kind of customer service. After that whenever I had a problem with Sony service I would check in with him and he would personally straighten it out. A month or 2 after the FS7 came out he called me up out of the blue just to chat about what I thought about the 28-135 lens and various other issues because he had a meeting coming up with the engineers in Japan and wanted user input. We must have talked for 30-40 minutes. Remember I'm just a nobody - no big reputation or history of huge purchases with Sony. I'm not Alister Chapman. That guy is something else is all I have to say. The gold standard.
I hope you're wrong.
 
Donny 123 said:
Why are you seeing aliasing in center crop.. should be the same for the OLPF .. your just cutting into the center of the sensor..? HFR in full scan you might .. as your treating the sensor as 2K but with a 4K OLPF.. ?
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Don can you see the video I posted. Centre crop modr at 25p has the same softness/stepping we see in frame rates above 72

Unless my test was wron somehow full scan 1080 (up to 72p) or 4k seem to produce a better image than the crop or hfr mode
I guess full scan 1080 is made not by binning but downscaling in camera.
 
morgan_moore said:
The operation to get from 4k 25p to 1080 150p takes a very long time and is not available by just hitting the s+q button
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Oh, ok. You did not say anything about switching resolution to HD, while limited to 60fps, the S&Q one button operation is still available in 4K. There's also no 150p mode in FS7 I'm afraid... But I know what you mean.
 
morgan_moore said:
Don can you see the video I posted. Centre crop modr at 25p has the same softness/stepping we see in frame rates above 72

Unless my test was wron somehow full scan 1080 (up to 72p) or 4k seem to produce a better image than the crop or hfr mode
I guess full scan 1080 is made not by binning but downscaling in camera.
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Sir Morgan.. AFAIK.. over a certain frame rate the camera will automatically go into CC mode.. as it cant deal with the amount of data off the full 4K sensor.. 4K is only up to 60fps I think.. and 1080 over 60 I think from memory .. up to 150/180.. but if you chose full scan mode.. but in HFR over 60.. the OLPF is no longer matching the 4K sensor it was designed for.. HFR in CC is ok because you just "cutting" into the 4K sensor.. so the 4K OLPF is still dealing with a 4K sensor.. so there is a risk of artifacts HFR plus full scan setting.. but usually only made made stuff like brick walls etc..
Yes no binning.. in 1080.. its down scaling in camera off full sensor.. I dont think there is any "binning" mode in these camera,s..
The F5/55 you can swap out the OLPF for a 2K one.. to get around the problem..or a slightly "soft" effect in full sensor mode.. but not on the Fs7.. as others have said the CC image is alot dependent on the glass .. with my CN7 Ive found it be be ok.. but I technically after debayer it is lower than HD.. and I only really use it when I need the max 240mm..
 
JPNola said:
Servo zoom. Let's not forget that it is lacking a servo. So the Sony 18-110mm has that leg up on the vintage Canon s16. Just depends I guess on how often you need a slow-paced zooming shot where the zoom is feathered on and off. If the servo on the 18-110mm is anything like the servo on the 28-135mm, you aren't going to get B4-like servo action where you can near-imperceptibly begin and end the zoom. That is to say, it isn't truly "infinitely variable speed" servo zoom.
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From the sound of most people in this thread, I don't think that servo zoom motors are of much concern to the majority of people here. Most don't seem to even like seeing zoom movements, so I don't think this is big deal for most.

And being properly geared, a S16mm zoom could easily take a remote follow focus for controlled zoom movements when needed.
 
I remember some people used to have a sort of dampener attached to their S16 zooms.. with practice it was quite easy to get a smooth zoom..
 
Don ive actually lo inked to a video showing that full scan 1080 is better than cc1080

I can't see that link on my phone maybe you Ar missing the link

Simply the camera is worse when used in centre mode than full mode

And that's is a consideration for the s16 option
 
Grug
I care about zoom motors but don't need them like certain 'live' or 'as live' jobs do. They are secondary on my personal spec but not underrated.
 
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