So What Happened to the D750 for filmmakers?
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DPStewart
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The number #1 digital camera used for major motion pictures is the ARRI Alexa and it only shoots at 2.8K.
So clearly WHAT your image looks like is far more important than how many lines of resolution it has.
Imamacuser
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Not everyone want's to see all the moles, pimples, and pores on peoples faces. I'd rather have more dynamic range and color information than increased resolution. Hacked DSLRs will yield 60-90Mbps bite-rate, but the GH4s only does 100Mbps bit-rate at 4k, which is kinda low for 4K. Also, the only way to possibly view 4K is with a 4K projector hooked up to a computer, or UHD TV or monitor playing off a flash drive. The standard for TV broadcast and online streaming is HD, most people still have HD TVs, and as far as I know, there's no 4K equivalent to BluRay; that makes shooting in 4K pointless for most applications.
Intuitive Films
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But guys, it's 4K. 
rogar-Evil(DBG):
Personally, until HD is on its way out I'm not going to buy into 4K. Sure it's the "next thing" but what's wrong with company's making 1080p better on more affordable cameras BEFORE we jump into the world of 4K?
rogar-Evil(DBG):Personally, until HD is on its way out I'm not going to buy into 4K. Sure it's the "next thing" but what's wrong with company's making 1080p better on more affordable cameras BEFORE we jump into the world of 4K?
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combatentropy
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No one, in fact, needs 4K.
4K is invisible at comfortable viewing distances. You have to sit closer than 30 degrees for it to be visible, and closer than the THX-recommended 36 degrees for the difference to be more than subtle. In exchange, you get one quarter the light sensitivity and dynamic range. Or you might have been able to get global shutter. Also this invisible benefit will double your media costs, raise the minimum requirements of your editing hardware, and slow your rendering times. It will make everything more complicated.
Michael Carter
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Anyone - ANYONE - doing smaller-client broadcast or web work that uses a lot of green screen or effects, with a small-shop/small or no crew workflow who tries not to rent - will instantly benefit from 4K from a GH4 or NX1.
The footage I'm seeing from the NX1, properly lit and downsampled to 1080 - the good stuff looks almost new ballgame to me. For well under $2k, you can have, in-house, the resolution to take effects to the next level, next-gen slowmo (for DSLR shooting) which is way useful for fashion/beauty, industrial, music videos, and corporate b-roll. Not to mention some freedom to reframe (especially for your web clients).
To say "I don't personally need 4K" is one thing... to say "nobody needs 4K" suggests you've had, perhaps, a head injury so severe you don't recall it happening. Or you believe every business out here does things exactly like you do.
ah, yes
I missed this, sorry.
I thought too seriously about content.
And did not like to spent my time on weird grading, or better: rescuing my footage.
Have a look at the big threads about the A7s's colour. Everyone to his taste.
DPStewart
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I think the meaning of that was that the end-result content does not yet need to be 4k. That's how I read it anyway.
What you're talking about is really an intermediate technology assist - and in that context, you are absolutely right, 4k is drastically better.
DPStewart
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Why would I shoot with a D750 over a GH4? Uh... LOW LIGHT for one, also for the full-frame field of view and ease of shallow depth of field. But mainly because I really dislike the native look of the GH4 and I really like the native look of the D750 - I don't want to HAVE TO spend a ton of time grading each and every shot. Different cameras have different looks and one size does NOT fit all.
Also the D750 has far greater dynamic range than the GH4 - this has a major impact on what your image looks like.
When any 4k camera for less than $4,000 can deliver the dynamic range, the colors, the sharpness, and the overall quality of image that the Black Magic Cinema Camera does at 1080p...then I'll consider 4k.
Michael Carter
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This is really huge. I've seen so much terrible GH4 footage and a handful of truly beautiful stuff - and usually, the good stuff been through some serious grading.
When I shoot with my D7100 - color balance and light it well. Open the shadows with a bit of fill. Drop in the NLE and boost the blacks a hair. Maybe cool the shadows a bit (the Nikon "look" is often cool shadows, warm highlights, subtle but give a lot of depth). Copy that setting to every clip. Done. And it looks great.
PegLeg Media
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You said no dave dugdale etc... He kind of explained in his last video how everyone at nab this year walking around has gone from canon 5d's to GH4 and Sony a7s cameras. Those are the cameras people are talking about for video, and since you dont need auto focus for video, if you want the shallow depth of field and low light performance you can buy a cheaper 1.4 or voigtlander .95 lens for a price a full frame camera couldnt offer those features.
I mix my GH4 with my coworkers canon 6d for 2 camera shoots a lot and dont think 4k is that much sharper like people think it is. The colors actually match pretty well and its hard to even tell between the 2 cameras but the gh4 is just easier to shoot with.
I am getting into photography and decided to go with the Nikon D750 with the tamron 24-70 2.8. This way i have my gh4 for video and my d750 for photography and can work as a b-cam for video.
I will be doing a ton of tests comparing the GH4 to my D750 over the next 2 weeks and i'm hoping the d750 matches well and gets that bokeh the GH4 struggles to find.
I mix my GH4 with my coworkers canon 6d for 2 camera shoots a lot and dont think 4k is that much sharper like people think it is. The colors actually match pretty well and its hard to even tell between the 2 cameras but the gh4 is just easier to shoot with.
I am getting into photography and decided to go with the Nikon D750 with the tamron 24-70 2.8. This way i have my gh4 for video and my d750 for photography and can work as a b-cam for video.
I will be doing a ton of tests comparing the GH4 to my D750 over the next 2 weeks and i'm hoping the d750 matches well and gets that bokeh the GH4 struggles to find.
rocketman122
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Not a single client cared about 4k when i mentioned it. And most dont know wth it is. 4k has some way to go before its mainstream. People are aware of it and we as photographers know about it but its far from being mainstream. Most are enjoying their 1080p screens. Many buying big screens just recently as prices are so low. Sure 4k is great abd well get there. Itll be at least a year before 4k gets mainstream in weddings. Itll get there though. Not yet though. It also depends which country were talking about. Prices will be cheapest in the us for scteens so people will adopt that quicker. But not overseas.
For me though d750 over the gh4 for its stills capability low light performance and dynamic range.
For me though d750 over the gh4 for its stills capability low light performance and dynamic range.
photochris
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The D750's 1080p is very sharp and detailed for the relatively low bitrate compared to others. Its so good I'm moving away from Canon and the 5d3 as my main stills/video camera since the video is much better and the stills are better as well - more DR and less noise at comparable ISO's. The Sony FF sensor is head and shoulders above what Canon's producing right now, there's so much more latitude in the shadows and highlights to pull details - its amazing. Same sensor everyone raves about in the A7 - only it has a competent AF. From a stills standpoint nothing in m43 land can come close to what the D750 offers - plus the AF is light years ahead of any mirrorless camera and the lens lineup is only matched by Canon. I'm going to shoot a few tests against the NX1 in the next few weeks when I get the time.
NorBro
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It depends on your market. Many people are shooting and asking for 4K in NYC and Los Angeles.
Da Media Man
Member
Try out these settings to match the GH4 and the D750.
Nikon = Neutral Profile - Sharpness plus 3.5
GH4 = Erik Naso settings Cine V
Cine V
Contrast-0
Sharpness-3
Noise Reduction-5
Saturation-3
Hue+1
iDynamic-Standard
iResolution -Standard
Master Pedestal+7
Nikon = Flat - Sharpness plus 3.5
GH4 = Cine D
Contrast-0
Sharpness-3
Noise Reduction-5
Saturation-2
Hue+0
rocketman122
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Ny is the minority. Those who live in ny have money. That is far fron whats happenibg in the rest of the world or the rest of the us. 4k has a waybto go. Lijr i said you and i, who are pros who shoot know but the public right {vast majority} dont know, dont want, or dont cafe for 4k. Almost all said "4k? Whats that?" wheb i spoke abiut it. We can offer it but no one is interested... YET.
Danielvilliers
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you know what, i think that except you are some kind of geek, no one will notice if you upscale good 1080 image to 4k. It is the same as Canon 1080p images that where merily 720p and that have been sold as 1080p since the 5d mark 2. For better result just use a Ninja or any external recorder and add a little sharpening and noise and voila.
Samuel H
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I completely aggree with that. But they will notice if you get a crop from 1080p and blow it up to 1080p. That's what 4K is for: reframing, and having extra canvas space for stabilization, shake, etc, in post.
Just last weekend I had a bunch of people at home, and I showed them some a7S stuff we had just shot. They commented on how sharp it was. Given the computer setup I was using, what they were watching was 720p footage upscaled to 1080p (I have a 1080p screen but my HTPC is configured at 720p, because I can't see the buttons at 1080p and I have tested that I can't spot 1080p from 720p even if I sit a meter closer to the screen than I actually do).
Just last weekend I had a bunch of people at home, and I showed them some a7S stuff we had just shot. They commented on how sharp it was. Given the computer setup I was using, what they were watching was 720p footage upscaled to 1080p (I have a 1080p screen but my HTPC is configured at 720p, because I can't see the buttons at 1080p and I have tested that I can't spot 1080p from 720p even if I sit a meter closer to the screen than I actually do).
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