So, now that November 3rd came and went, who's going for 1DX?

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meauounji

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I'm actually pretty sure that I'm going for it myself, barring some tests, of course. I'll probably rent one before I buy one just to be sure.

MY personal reasons for strongly considering the upgrade:
  • No moire (supposedly) - This is a huge deal for me if true.
  • Much reduced rolling shutter (supposedly) - Also a big deal for me, though not as much as moire improvements.
  • 1080i constant monitoring signal - This alone is worth $1000 to me. I can't tell you how much I hate dealing with the 5D's signal drop.
  • Audio meters during record. - Nice to have for live events
  • Better codec (though not by much, from what we can tell) - With All-I in camera, I don't expect to have to convert to Cineform anymore. If the H.264 implementation is a bit better, then that's a bonus. Saves me time in post.
  • Longer record time - though I am not looking forward to dealing with multiple files for one long take in post. Counter to saving time from not converting, I have to say.
  • Full frame sensor. - It will be the only camera outside of the 5D to do full-frame 1080p, to the best of my knowledge. This is a big deal for lens selection. Particularly in the fast+wide area. No such thing as a cheap 24mm f1.4 equivalent in APS-C land.
  • Still costs only about as much as an high-end pro-sumer, low end pro camcorder. A couple grand more than FS-100 and AF-100, but neither one of those have full frame nor can they double as still cameras.
  • Oh yeah, also the best stills camera Canon has to offer, period. Although the full-size body is going to be a pain taking it on casual photo walks.
We'll see how the image quality shakes out in a few months, of course. That's kind of the elephant in the room: dynamic range. I don't really see how it can be worse than the 5D, but it'd be disappointing if there's no improvement. Don't really care about improved low-light for my style of shooting. I might back out and stay with the 5D when the time comes, but for now, it feels like the 1DX really ticks pretty much all of the boxes for me. It slots in to my current kit pretty much seamlessly with no sacrifice as far as I can tell. Sure, it costs more than an FS-100 or an AF-100, but because the 5D doubles as my still camera, if I got a $5000 camcorder, I'd still have to go get another still camera (that probably isn't full frame) or keep the 5D anyway, in which case, total cost is about the same.

Because I can see this coming up; 8-bit 4:2:0 is not an issue to me. It feels like fair few number of people are knocking the H.264, but I still don't know of any camera with a large sensor that records to anything other than AVCHD or H.264 at 8-bit 4:2:0 IN CAMERA that costs under $10,000. Do I wish it was better? Yeah, but it's not like it's particularly bad in its class. Again, we'll have to see how the new(ish) codec shakes out in practice. Also, Scarlet doesn't count. Only because by the time you add all the pieces and parts to make it work, you're looking at $14000 minimum, more like $16000-$18000 for a reasonable package with enough media and accessories to keep you shooting for a reasonable amount of time. That's before you factor in the investment needed in the post pipeline to handle all that (admittedly wonderful) footage.

What I'm actually really curious about is if you're NOT interested in it, then why? Outside of the price tag being out of your reach, which I understand. At one point, a Rebel was out of reach for me. But if you could afford it and choose not to, I'm rather curious why.
 
I'm really interested in the 1dx, especially in seeing if the time code/sync works well between multiple cameras. Not sure if it's worth the extra $4200 price difference over the 5dm2 from a pure video perspective- but if it's really Moire free with minimal rolling shutter, it may be worth the extra price. The 1080 monitoring is nice too, gets quite hard to judge focus on an external monitor on the 5dm2. Oh and it takes stills too?
 
yeh well the major issue would be price for me. If i was a pro stills shooter also then it would make sense, but at that price i may as well get an fs100 (as a pro video guy and stills hobbyist). That said though the other major reason is i'd want to see what the 5d and 7d or the mysterious "C" labelled dslr comes out with. Till then my 7d will get the job done.
 
probably gonna get lots of hate for this but. . . dude. . . 6-7k $US for a cam thats 80% Photo 20% Video? guess what the 5dmk3 will bring us. . . i would atleast wait for it before buying 1dx (unless you make money by using the "80% photo - abilities" of this cam ; )

all in all i do find that the 1dx sound like great hardware for video but there is obviously WY too much "photo-centric" stuff that you are paying for that most probably wont even touch "in the DSLR-cine comunity"

imho,that is. . . ^^
 
I can't wait to see how the new codec holds up but aside from the price I'm thinking along the same lines, full frame, sharp 1080 problems solved, bingo!
 
It's all about DR and bitrate for me now....

I'll keep saving my pennies until something comes out with 12+ stops DR and 10bit 4:2:2. If that happens to be the 1D-X or the 1D-Cinema... they'll get my money.... otherwise i'll keep saving for a Scarlet or F3 (or "x" future camera)

Until then, i'm happy enough with the GH2 and 5DII... but I will not pay out a single $ for another 8bit / 4:2:0 camera... even if it is 4K for $1k
 
Agree with Stockfuel. Also very happy with GH2. (Did you guys see the new ISO hack.......)
With the pricepoint of the 1DX, i wouldn't pull the trigger till the MkIII is out and then decide what is best.
 
meauounji said:
What I'm actually really curious about is if you're NOT interested in it, then why? Outside of the price tag being out of your reach, which I understand. At one point, a Rebel was out of reach for me. But if you could afford it and choose not to, I'm rather curious why.
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The principle. I try not to support artificially crippled products. Like you, I love the hybrid aspect of DSLR's but planned obsolescence leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

(although it's out of my price range so the principle in this case is irrelevant)

That aside, there is also the specter of the 5DM3. And to a much lesser extent, a possible next generation game-changer from Nikon.
 
I am a pro stills guy. I will get one ... unless the mysterious "C" Dslr has shown itself.
I sold my 1Ds Mkiii for the video capability of the 5dii ... but in my opinion, it doesn't
measure up in terms of handling,precision and ruggedness for my stills needs.
In retrospect, I prolly should have got a 7D and kept the 1Ds.
 
I am getting the EOS-1Dx when it comes out. I am a pro stills shooter, and while I do/did have EOS-1DII and 1Ds I migrated to EOS-5D and 5DII as they are full frame and lighter and now 5DII is used for video also (about 50% of my work). At the same time I am getting more and more annoyed by the bad focusing and general slowness of 5DII for stills shooting. I have also problems with water seeping into them while shooting boats and sailing. 1Dx seems to be a great integrated, improved version of 5DII, 1DIV and 1DsII combined. Also the MegaPixel count at 18 MP is quite ideal, in real life lenses do not resolve better anyway and 18 MP is plenty enough for a magazine full spread. Heavier, yes, but I think I can handle it. 4K video I do not need at all, even full HD is an overkill sometimes for net videos, so the Cine version, whatever it is, is not needed here. For "real video" with sync dialog I have FX305 and like it a lot.
 
Hydarnes said:
probably gonna get lots of hate for this but. . . dude. . . 6-7k $US for a cam thats 80% Photo 20% Video? guess what the 5dmk3 will bring us. . . i would atleast wait for it before buying 1dx (unless you make money by using the "80% photo - abilities" of this cam ; )

all in all i do find that the 1dx sound like great hardware for video but there is obviously WY too much "photo-centric" stuff that you are paying for that most probably wont even touch "in the DSLR-cine comunity"

imho,that is. . . ^^
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No hate here, man. Just a difference in opinion. I totally respect the that you'd rather not pay that much money for something that's +80% photocentric.

To me, it's a matter of how much money I'm willing to pay to solve certain problems. I'm the guy who bought a smallHD DP6 because it solves the monitoring aspect ratio change during recording. I'm also the guy who bought a Mosaic Engineering anti-moire filter to solve that problem. (It works exactly as advertised, by the way) So to me, when you add up all the problems-solved and cost, it just makes sense.


arroway said:
The principle. I try not to support artificially crippled products. Like you, I love the hybrid aspect of DSLR's but planned obsolescence leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

(although it's out of my price range so the principle in this case is irrelevant)

That aside, there is also the specter of the 5DM3. And to a much lesser extent, a possible next generation game-changer from Nikon.
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While I agree with you in principle that planned obsolescence sucks, isn't that the case for pretty much all consumer (or even pro) electronics made by large corporations? The only people you could reasonably count on to make the best product that they can make are start-ups, and from what we can tell, RED. Everyone else have a future product line and a 5-year plan to consider.

Nikon is so dead to me... I don't feel like they've demonstrated the willingness to make a serious play in the HD-DSLR market. Love their lenses, but they are so late to the party, it's not even funny.
 
I hope I'm wrong, but I think Canon is gonna do the same as a few years ago; release the 1Ds then the 5DMKII with almost the same image quality, but less functions like: less FPS, different auto focus, weaker chassis, different sealing, etc. I'm afraid is gonna be the same with the 5DMkIII, the patience guy is gonna be rewarded. We'll see in a few weeks when more still samples and footage show up in the web, if the 1D X deserve the crown of 2012's DSLR king. or his newborn baby brother 5DMKIII may steal the attention, only time will tell.
 
Wait for the "Cinema" DSLR, the 5d III, or the 7d II. They all seem like better options that will definitely have most of the features of the 1dX in them. Here's a little map of what canon is planning:

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(right reads cinema, left reads stills photography, top reads Professional, bottom reads consumer)
 
JAWflyer3 said:
Wait for the "Cinema" DSLR, the 5d III, or the 7d II. They all seem like better options that will definitely have most of the features of the 1dX in them. Here's a little map of what canon is planning:

(right reads cinema, left reads stills photography, top reads Professional, bottom reads consumer)
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Would that be the 5DMkIII smack in the middle between stills and cinema?
 
I think the next 12 months could be really interesting in camera releases.

Chuck Westfall from Canon has said they hope to release the "C" DSLR within 12 months. Erik Allin from Canon has hinted it won't be "years plural." He's said the "C" DSLR's 1080P is based on the full width of the FF sensor, but the 4K is a cropped APS-H version (keep in mind APS-H is still bigger than S35). Why that is so, he could not get into that. This "C" DSLR is not a replacement for the 5DmkII. It is it's own product. Both Chuck and Erik have confirmed there will be a 5D3 (according to Planet5D). We know the 5D2 is over 3 years old and is due to be replaced. Every day that goes by means it's ever more likely to be released.

As for what could be in the 5D3, we already know DigicV is out and can scale a FF sensor without line skipping. We know the 1Dx is expensive, but it's built like a tank, is weatherproof, designed for 400,000 shutter cycles, shoots crazy fast FPS in stills, and has all new AF and metering systems. So Canon could, in theory, scale back all those things to meet the 5D3 price point without taking away any of the new video features. There's also rumors that the 5D line might split, into a higher end 5D3 coming in around $3500-$4000 and a more affordable FF camera with less features at around $2000. So be prepared for a possible price jump for the 5D3.
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1Dx is fantastic and I can see a lot of people being tempted to own the dream camera but then a lot of people will think of having 2 5D3s for the price.

Waiting for the 5D3 is getting reallllllllllllllly irritating now.

Cannot see it being announced now until they release the 1Dx in March.
 
EIREHotspur said:
1Dx is fantastic and I can see a lot of people being tempted to own the dream camera but then a lot of people will think of having 2 5D3s for the price.

Waiting for the 5D3 is getting reallllllllllllllly irritating now.

Cannot see it being announced now until they release the 1Dx in March.
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Cannot see it being released for at least another year, actually.
A total disservice to the all the customers who made Canon even think of going to Hollywood.
 
I agree that the "C" camera is much more interesting than the 1DX for video... With one big difference: The "C" camera hasn't actually been announced as a shipping product. All we know is that they're working on it. The 1DX has a date, or at least a month.

Assuming their prices are in line (and it very well might not. Canon has demonstrated the capability to price their "Hollywood" offering at an appropriately "Hollywood" price) I'm probably going to get the 1DX (again, assuming improvements I talked about are true) just because these camera prices hold up extremely well in the used market. Heck, the +3 years old 5D is still going for $1900 or so. Basically a $600 rental over a 3 year span. with a $2500 deposit. If I sell the 1DX in a year, I don't suspect that the "loss" will be very high at all to switch to the "C" camera. Did the same thing going between 7D to 5D with 24p came out.

That said, I don't think the C camera is anything more than a 1DX with a few minor differences. I suspect that the core of the camera will be extremely close. The Chuck Westall comment that 1080p will be full sensor and 4k will be ASP-H actually pushes me even further toward that conclusion. See my other thread on the "C" camera specifically. :P
 
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