So now its a matter of editting...

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melyncolly

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So i just robbed a bank for a good 20,000 dollars and am ready to buy an HVX200, 2 8gb P2's and a new computer to edit this ***** on... first off do i have enough money? :undecided :laugh:
No but really, if were all planning on buying these new awesome format cams, what are we realistically going to have to do to upgrade our systems? Im actually an extreme virgin to HD editing, doing minimal research myself, but figure theres a lot of intelligent, already HD ready people here who could help us, not so HD savy people out.

So first n00b question...
1. To edit uncompressed HD video will i need a hardware substitute (in contrast to, for example, Sony's HDW2000 which is for compressed HD editing)?

Second Off, a basic Boxx computer specs list (a ridiculously powerful computer that I can only assume can handle HD)...

Dual XEON DP 3.4GHz, 1MB cache, 800MHz FSB (add $913)(64bit! finally w00t)
6GB DDR2-400 ECC (6 DIMMS) (add $2039)
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400 256MB G-DDR3 (NAB Special $250 Instant Rebate) (add $662)
250GB 7,200rpm Serial ATA 8MB Cache Drive (add $115)
500GB Promise Serial ATA RAID 0 Array (2 drives) (add $595)
Dual Layer burner
and the rest of the bay nonsense...

All for just over....another HVX200...$7,110.00

and the questions go on...
2. What is considered ridiculously ridiculous in terms of the above specs (for example will i really need 6GB of ram? or will 4 do just fine...dare i say 2?)

3. What exactly does a Video Card do for editting? I mean i know its a video card, but all the specs i ever read about pipelines and polycount sound like 3d/Game specs to me...is a bitchin graphix card really necessary? Or should i get Dual Quadro FX 3400s :laugh:

4. What are your recommendations for External Hard Drives? Not so much for editing, but maybe storage? If I kept a good 500Gb of clean space for editing, and dumped everything afterwards to an EX, would i really need almost a terabyte worth of space? Oh ya! what about 10,000rpm drives!? Big advantage, not so much, help me out here... :shocked: :) :shocked:
 
Oh and also...

Can anyone get me a better deal :)?! Anyone know trusted high-end computer manufacturers that wont blow up in a year and a half?

kay thats all, rip away...
 
Get a Power Mac G5 and Final Cut Pro 4.5. DVDPRO HD is compressed HD, its 8 bit, 4:2:2, So you dont need a RAID drive or any higher end computer, unless you consider a MAC high end. Regular ATA hard drives will suffice. RAM might be a bigger expense if you want real time effects, but by the looks of FCP 5,it seems to do a lot on its own. Only 4:2:2 10 bit and 4:4:4 10 bit HD require a HD video card, for display and capture, but you dont need a video card for capture because you will just insert a P2 card into a PCMCIA adapter. Easy really. Unless you want to preview on a CRT HD monitor or high end LCD, will you need a HD video card, like the Blackmagic ones.
 
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There website says alot more,,
 
Here's my take:

*Dual Xeon DP 3.4GHz - Good call. You'll need a fast computer for color correcting and real time effects and rendering.
*6GB RAM - I really don't think you need that much. 2 should be fine. 4 may be too much.
*NVIDIA Quadro FX Video Card - Might be overkill right now, unless you're doing 3D animation or heavy compositing work. I'd save money on it and spend it on storage space.
*Hard Disk space - You can never have enough. Especially with HD. I don't think 10,000rpm drives are necessary. 7,200 should be fine. Get a couple of big (250GB) internal drives ($400 for both?), and a really big (1TeraByte) external drive for $979 (www.lacie.com). More may need to be added later.
*Dual-Layer DVD burner - Sure. Or maybe you want to hold out for a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burner, since they should be available by the time the HVX comes out. Much more backup-friendly for HD material (up to 54GB on Blu-Ray, and it could get bigger later on.)

Feel free to chime in if I'm way off base with any of this. Hope it helps!

EDIT- I agree with the above posts as well. FCP5 on a Dual G5 looks like the perfect setup. But if you want a PC and not a Mac, then Avid Xpress Pro or Canopus is the way to go.
 
It looks like some good stuff. Soundtrack Pro has some amazing tools.

What's with the burning HD to DVD in DVD Studio Pro thing? I've been trying to figure this out. Why? What the hell will it play on? I mean, you could encode HD footage with H.264 and burn that to DVD and play it on any computer with QT7, but why on a DVD. Are there any players that would play it?
 
You said Uncompressed HD.. my sytem is pretty much the same as the BOXX, but with dual 3.2 Xeons and only 2gb ram, A HD-SDI card, and 800gb in a 4 drive raid array. The Hard drive is the weak point, to do uncompressed HD you need at least 4 SATA drives in an array. Then working with uncompressed HD it will rock even the Dual Xeons, its not like DV, and takes getting used to, you almost always edit with a proxy.

Now for DVCproHD.. its alot easier, and that system will do. Still though, DVCproHD is about a gig a minute, so you need 200gb for every 3 hours of video.
 
So, Mac it is.. Who would think it's the simpliest and most affordable video editing solution. :) (talking about the "macs are expensive and useless" saying).
Dual 1.8 ghz or better 2.0 ghz (mm.. 400 mhz difference..) should be sufficient enough.
 
Jarred Land said:
You said Uncompressed HD.. my sytem is pretty much the same as the BOXX, but with dual 3.2 Xeons and only 2gb ram, A HD-SDI card, and 800gb in a 4 drive raid array. The Hard drive is the weak point, to do uncompressed HD you need at least 4 SATA drives in an array. Then working with uncompressed HD it will rock even the Dual Xeons, its not like DV, and takes getting used to, you almost always edit with a proxy.

Now for DVCproHD.. its alot easier, and that system will do. Still though, DVCproHD is about a gig a minute, so you need 200gb for every 3 hours of video.
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Jarred, what software are you using to edit?

Thanks

Matt
 
I hope vegas comes out with a editing solution by the time of release b/c I seiously don't have the money to by a Mac and Final Cut Pro PLUS the HVX and P2 cards. Thats just stupid.
 
calm down guys. until this cam comes out the PC industry has overtaken itself at least 3 times. HDs and RAM will cost half, Pentium 4GHz will be around. I will build myself a external swappable HD-case to bakup my P2 footage next year.....
 
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