HPX250: So microP2 adapter will work from what I have read?

lonewolf2koc@hotmail.com said:
~1.8 cheaper than P2
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Please clarify. "x amount cheaper" does not fit into any mathematical language that I am aware of. I can understand how something could be "1.8 TIMES" something (e.g., something being $180 vs. $100) or "1.8 TIMES MORE" than something (e.g., $280 vs. $100). But "1.8 cheaper than"???
 
Clarify: Current sale value @B&H: P2, 64 Gb series F, $640. Micro P2, 64 Gb, $355. $640/$355=1.80. Multiplying the ratio back: $355 x 1.8 = $639. That's what I'm referring to when x amount is cheaper fr Micro P2 to P2.
 
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Math doesn't work that way. You can say that P2 is 1.8 times the price of Micro P2. But you can't just switch the order of the terms and numbers around and use the word "cheaper". That's mathematical nonsense. The Micro P2 at $355 is $284 less than P2 at $639. So if you want to compare the lower price to the higher, you could say something like "The price of Micro P2 is about 45% less than the price of P2" or "The price of Micro P2 is about 55% that of P2." Or, you could round it off quite a bit and say that Micro P2 close to half the price of P2. But there is no "1.8 times cheaper."

(Sorry, but I have occasion to deal with statistics in reports at work, and problems with numerical literacy is an area that tends to bug me a lot. I get really dismayed when I see the "x times less" kind of statement appearing in major media advertising.)

But regardless, it looks like Micro P2 is a great value compared to P2--for those who are able to use it!
 
Ah yes. I do appreciate the clarification on the proper way to express the math. Never realized how flipping a number around can mess thing up. It's just not my field of expertise. Likewise, I do get annoyed when a shooter goes beyond a certain IRIS range when using Cine Gamma - which should be about 1/2 stop under the norm. As you're aware, once over exposed, it's hard to retrieve back the lost of information. This is not a raw recording format like Red One codec. So every field of expertise has its own precise protocol that must be mastered and followed..
 
Don't forget that you need to factor in the cost of the MicroP2 adapters. You obviously don't need one adapter for every MicroP2 card, but if you are looking at MicroP2 cards as a straight replacement for P2 cards, it is worth keeping in mind.
 
I'm planning to get at least a single Micro P2 to P2 adaptor per camera and/or deck. Probably two if I'm heavy into Micro P2. Good news so far: Spanning between P2 & Micro P2 is possible. 1080/60p on the PX5000G to the Micro P2 slot is also possible. On the PX5000G you can record LongG or Proxy codec to Micro P2 and the AVC Ultra 200 codec on the P2. Great for fast turn around type of workflow. But I don't see a need to double record to two medium (Micro P2 & P2). It's possible but just a bit overkill.

Disregard the current Micro P2 product description saying it couldn't record at 1080/60p. This is directly fr. Panasonic support development team just today. It appears that they're serious in making AVC Ultra 200 affordable in the coming years.
 
I'm guessing they are trying to protect themselves and not over-promise so they don't have a bunch of ticked-off customers on their hands when they can't deliver. They'll play it safe and conservative until all combinations of hardware have been tested. I never understood why there wouldn't be support for spanning between P2 and MicroP2, we're talking about writing data to a file system -- what that gets recorded on shouldn't matter. I'm also encouraged that there may eventually be support for higher datarates and new codecs.
 
firstly i bought my HPX170 n sold my XHA1 just to get away from the importing tapes (damage to heads, wasting time, possibility of corrupted footage/damaged tape)
i thought it was a good step up as the HMC150 did not have BNC out (which i need for live feeds at times)

I ordered my micro P2 adapter yesterday, not a bad price. considering i can use regular SDHC cards, i shoot for clients/companies so for me, this is the best bet as its easy to transfer off footage for them on the spot, without having to let them use the camera to transfer footage or a delay for me in giving them the footage.
the card reader at 350 just doesnt make sense to me, ill just pick up another USB 3 card reader (if anyone has any suggestions, let me know)
the micro p2 sd cards are cheaper than the P2 cards, so a good deal for me
let me know if you guys have had any problems, i wouldnt mind buying two adapters & two 64GB micro P2

now to sell my 64GB E series card & my 320GB FS100 firestore :D
 
I don't think MicroP2 is going to be compatible with the HPX170. From what I remember, they said it would be compatible with any camera that currently supports AVC-Intra.
 
I got some the big issues with micro P2: they aren't recognized anymore as a P2 card by my computer, so no more preview with P2Viewer, first,
and second, i can't use the microP2 adapter to offload on my computer with a pcmcia slot, the adapter is not recognized
I got some problem with windows XP too...ask to fomat the card all the time...so i can't open or copy the card...
 
Yikes. I hope these are software related issues and will eventually be fixed within the year. For me, I'm just sitting back and wait until the 1st gen Micro P2 settles. Plenty of cheap 64 Gb E series P2 on EBay at Micro P2 prices. I don't have any plans for AVC-Ultra 200 shooting anytime soon, especially on anything smaller than 2/3" sensor size. Certainly a waste of space and diminishing returns on investment if Panasonic continues to bundle mediocre KG lens for the HPX-250 successor. I have the luxury of using the Sony PMW-200 and their stock Fujinon 14x lens is much better than KG's. At least it has flange control. But I don't like Sony's MPEG-2 Long G codecs. It's a trade off. Argh. There's just not the right camcorder. There's always that gain this but loose that deal.

Slightly used 64 Gb P2 E series is a bargain now.
 
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