Michael Anthony Horrigan
More Cowbell Pictures
I'm not disputing what he said, just the way he said it. He was funny though...
The guy who followed him even made a joke about how fast he talked.
So I got stopped by a cop.
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The guy who followed him even made a joke about how fast he talked.
if cops are being douchy, this sounds weird but ask for a parking ticket... its proof the incident happened. It cited officers names, badge numbers, and a time and place.
Mark Harris
Pain in the ass
Or you could get gansta on them like Timur does. Initiates the smack-down, then gets in his 1989 corolla and burns rubber out of there. Next thing you know he's pullin' an OJ down the FDR to BKLYN!
I'm not disputing what he said, just the way he said it. He was funny though...
The guy who followed him even made a joke about how fast he talked.
But he was able to cover an insane amount of information in 27 some odd minutes. I wouldn't say he tripped over himself, I'd say his tongue can't move fast enough for his brain.
Lol... that officer is reading this thread and seeing how everyone is now well informed and will not say a word to him for the rest of his career, and since he is a fan of convoluting the facts for training/impressing-the-female-officer purposes and he is going:
:badputer:
Mattykins
Cute Member
Well let me tell you this. Don't listen to people who are online about how you should react when you have a run in with police.
I've had my fair share of encounters, some much more serious than others. Each time, I would have been in serious trouble if I didn't speak to the police. There was one point when I suddenly became a prime suspect in a case, and if I didn't fully cooperate (I was innocent), I would have been in a great deal of trouble.
But some guy online told you what to do, so whatever. Need I remind you, people are listening to legal advice by nondescript name and take it for the final and utter truth. There is something wrong in that equation.
I've had my fair share of encounters, some much more serious than others. Each time, I would have been in serious trouble if I didn't speak to the police. There was one point when I suddenly became a prime suspect in a case, and if I didn't fully cooperate (I was innocent), I would have been in a great deal of trouble.
But some guy online told you what to do, so whatever. Need I remind you, people are listening to legal advice by nondescript name and take it for the final and utter truth. There is something wrong in that equation.
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
ALWAYS CONSULT A LAWYER FOR LEGAL ADVICE.
(and "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on tv" doesn't count
rogar-Happy(DBG)
This goes for ALL legal advice. People can tell you what they think the rules are concerning copyright or ownership, but unless they are a lawyer you can't count on their legal acumen.
(and "I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on tv" doesn't count
rogar-Happy(DBG)This goes for ALL legal advice. People can tell you what they think the rules are concerning copyright or ownership, but unless they are a lawyer you can't count on their legal acumen.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Yeah, god forbid you listen to a constitutional scholar/defense lawyer and a former LEO for advice.....:huh:
Michael Anthony Horrigan
More Cowbell Pictures
What they failed to mention is that if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time and refuse to cooperate with the police you have just become suspect #1.
Innocent or not.
There are times when answering a few questions might save you a pair of handcuffs and a trip down to the station. Yes, answering a few questions could be risky in some cases but I bet most of the time it's worth it. There's always a story of someone getting screwed. For those stories there's probably a hell of a lot more that you never hear of where answering one or two questions gets you off the hook.
Now... if I'm already a suspect, as most of his examples were, then I don't speak to anyone without a lawyer.
To each their own...
MAH
Mattykins
Cute Member
Haha. I am not going to get advice from an online video. If I did everything online videos told me, I'd have a **** ton of free ipod nanos.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
With all due respect, he has no way of knowing your credentials. You're asking him to take you at your word. If it were me, I'd go to a qualified attorney in my own town.
But then, I tend to go to doctors for medical advice too.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
The thing is, if everybody stops talking to the cops, then the criminals win.
Here's a scenario....
Some poor guy gets mugged, beaten, bloodied and robbed. The mugger runs away on foot.
Cops arrive and take the guy's statement. He gives a general description of his attacker, as best he can. The cops patrol the area looking for the mugger.
A couple of blocks away, they come upon Evan sitting in his car. He fits the rather broad description of the suspect given by the victim, so they stop to talk to him. He acts suspicious and refuses to say anything.
At that point they have little choice but to put Evan in the car and take him to the victim for identification. So they do that. The victim says "No, it wasn't him." So they drive Evan back to his car.
While they're spending time doing all of this, the mugger is escaping on foot -- not only getting away with this crime, but leaving him free to beat somebody else to a bloody pulp.
If Evan had cooperated, told them why he was sitting there, and they'd gone to confirm his story with his girlfriend, then they'd be on their way. And maybe they'd see the mugger in the next block and apprehend him.
Yes, if you talk to the cops, you MIGHT somehow find yourself in trouble, though it's rare. But if NOBODY talks to the cops -- EVER -- then crime will explode.
If I'm the guy bloodied and robbed -- or worse yet, if it's someone I love -- then I'll want EVERYONE to cooperate with the cops to try to catch the mugger.
We can't just all run around paranoid about talking to the police. If we do, we're going to find ourselves living in a far worse society, in my opinion.
Here's a scenario....
Some poor guy gets mugged, beaten, bloodied and robbed. The mugger runs away on foot.
Cops arrive and take the guy's statement. He gives a general description of his attacker, as best he can. The cops patrol the area looking for the mugger.
A couple of blocks away, they come upon Evan sitting in his car. He fits the rather broad description of the suspect given by the victim, so they stop to talk to him. He acts suspicious and refuses to say anything.
At that point they have little choice but to put Evan in the car and take him to the victim for identification. So they do that. The victim says "No, it wasn't him." So they drive Evan back to his car.
While they're spending time doing all of this, the mugger is escaping on foot -- not only getting away with this crime, but leaving him free to beat somebody else to a bloody pulp.
If Evan had cooperated, told them why he was sitting there, and they'd gone to confirm his story with his girlfriend, then they'd be on their way. And maybe they'd see the mugger in the next block and apprehend him.
Yes, if you talk to the cops, you MIGHT somehow find yourself in trouble, though it's rare. But if NOBODY talks to the cops -- EVER -- then crime will explode.
If I'm the guy bloodied and robbed -- or worse yet, if it's someone I love -- then I'll want EVERYONE to cooperate with the cops to try to catch the mugger.
We can't just all run around paranoid about talking to the police. If we do, we're going to find ourselves living in a far worse society, in my opinion.
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CallaghanFilms
Veteran
That statement never, ever will cease to baffle the living hell outta me
Nonesense!! The Oldcorpse Clan are the Kennedy's of the U.S. legal world...
(everyone knows that)
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
That's what you call a strawman argument and is totally nonsensical.
"Wait, let's just make crime illegal...oh wait"
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Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I am neither, I was talking about the gentlemen in the videos.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
Sorry. Missed that one. Must be gettin' old. :violin:
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
So your contention is that it won't waste the cops' time trying to figure out if Evan is the mugger? Or is it that no matter how much time the cops waste, it won't delay them actually catching the real mugger?
Illuminate me.
David W. Richardson
Chapelgrove Films
How about a not-so-imaginary scenario? This one occurs every day.
In certain communities, the residents completely refuse to talk to the police. Sometimes it's out of fear. Other times it's because others in their community have convinced them it's 'dishonorable', for lack of a better word. What happens? Crime runs rampant in those communities. People get gunned down in the streets and the cops are powerless to do anything about it because nobody will talk.
That's a reality.
In certain communities, the residents completely refuse to talk to the police. Sometimes it's out of fear. Other times it's because others in their community have convinced them it's 'dishonorable', for lack of a better word. What happens? Crime runs rampant in those communities. People get gunned down in the streets and the cops are powerless to do anything about it because nobody will talk.
That's a reality.
Rick Meyer
Veteran
I understand your example but it has flaws. In fact, in that scenario you described is usually when you should least talk to the cops. It's not being a coward to not want to engage a dude who has a gun and will use it with no hesitation and zero remorse. Those people don't think like you and me. And, talking to the cops cannot protect you from that type of social conditioning and their fear from getting caught and going to prison.
Sure, there are times when a little information can save lives, help solve a case, etc. But in those types of neighborhoods you are talking about, talking to the cops will only prove to put you or your family at risk. It isn't fear and not talking to cops that allows crime to run rampant. It's poverty and a pessimistic socio-economic outlook. Change in those neighborhoods happen at the broad community level. When entire neighborhoods begin to display some self respect, clean themselves up and are inspired by local leaders, crime will begin to dissipate. It doesn’t happen from a sacrificial lamb coming forward to a couple of cops who proceeds to tell them that “yes, there are several very dangerous, highly armed drug dealers in apartment 1C.”
Evan S
Veteran
I talked to the IA detective. He said no policies were violated. I asked if it was OK if the next time I'm stopped by a cop if I can use the right to remain silent. He said it may cause the PO to become more suspicious, but they cannot arrest you on that suspicion. HOWEVER, if I have done something illegal they can arrest me. Say I jaywalked that is an arrestable offense, and if I don't explain myself I could be arrested. So If you're INNOCENT remain silent.
but for that matter. If you're guilty stay silent, because they can use it against you. Like I said, the officer from IA told me that there isn't much they can do if you do not talk to them. They may be able to pat you down. It just depends on the situation.
There are two sides of every coin. I'd say you're best to use good judgment in these situations (obviously).
but for that matter. If you're guilty stay silent, because they can use it against you. Like I said, the officer from IA told me that there isn't much they can do if you do not talk to them. They may be able to pat you down. It just depends on the situation.
There are two sides of every coin. I'd say you're best to use good judgment in these situations (obviously).