Slow Shutter clarification

Is it PAL or NTSC?

I'm trying it on PAL but can't get the shutter speed lower than 30 on LCD.

Here's what I'm doing:-

1. Set the camera to creative movie mode.

2. Set the camera to record 1080P.

3. From the menu, select the exposure mode to S.

Now I click the dial and select the shutter speed and when I rotate the dial I can't get the shutter speed to go below 30 on the display.

I'm using kit lens and the firmware version is 1.2

Thanks.
 
BhambuNath said:
Is it PAL or NTSC?

I'm trying it on PAL but can't get the shutter speed lower than 30 on LCD.

Here's what I'm doing:-

1. Set the camera to creative movie mode.

2. Set the camera to record 1080P.

3. From the menu, select the exposure mode to S.

Now I click the dial and select the shutter speed and when I rotate the dial I can't get the shutter speed to go below 30 on the display.

I'm using kit lens and the firmware version is 1.2

Thanks.
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Rotate the dial until it stops at 1/30, press the dial down, continue scrolling - NTSC btw
 
Yes, it's working as before I was trying to bring the shutter speed down, gotta rotate the dial while it's on exposure.

Thanks.
 
I'm missing a trick here. Can either of you explain what you mean in language a dummy like me can follow?

Specifically, Psynema, is the dial you refer to the one at the front on the right? 'press the dial down' means press it in. Does scrolling mean rotating? When I try this with the shutter speed highlighted, it doesn't go below 30. After pushing the dial in, the eV is highlighted (range -3 to +3). Rotating the dial doesn't change shutter speed but does change eV

BhambuNath - what do you mean 'rotate the dial while it's on exposure'? Does this mean the eV compensation? When I do this, the eV changes (and brightens the image) but the shutter speed display remains '30'
 
Yep, you're changing the eV but it's also showing that it's changing the shutter speed and giving you 3 extra increments of exposure.
 
onion said:
BhambuNath - what do you mean 'rotate the dial while it's on exposure'? Does this mean the eV compensation? When I do this, the eV changes (and brightens the image) but the shutter speed display remains '30'
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Yes, I mean rotate the dial.

Yes, when you select the shutter speed and rotate the dial, it won't go below 30. Now when you are at 30, press the rotate button down so that the exposure scale is selected( which was set to aperture when you were in M mode).

While the exposure is selected bring the exposure to max by rotating the button, you will see that it's more brighter than you can have to the Manual settings.
 
Psynema said:
I'm just curious as to...

1. WTF it says the shutter speed is 1/4th
2. Why can't I do this in Manual Mode
3. How this even works - as again, the brightest setting on this "quirk" at 1600iso = 12000 on a 3200 iso camera. Odd.
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Perhaps Panasonic overlooked the possibility of people using manual lenses with passive adapters and didn't see that this could occur. All the better for us I guess.
 
BhambuNath said:
Yes, I mean rotate the dial.

Yes, when you select the shutter speed and rotate the dial, it won't go below 30. Now when you are at 30, press the rotate button down so that the exposure scale is selected( which was set to aperture when you were in M mode).

While the exposure is selected bring the exposure to max by rotating the button, you will see that it's more brighter than you can have to the Manual settings.
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Thanks
 
I've played around with this. I don't think it's going above 3200iso...just like when using a m4/3 lens and adjusting the compensation with the wheel (gain).

Regardless of what you put the exposure comp wheel at, and regardless of what it shows as the shutter speed, the shutter speed is LOCKED at that speed before switching to the exp comp wheel, when using a manual lens. It just bumps up the gain at the far right of the setting, but doesn't do anything at any time to the actual shutter speed...regardless of what it says on the screen. I don't think it will actually go below 1/30...the 1/4 display is apparently just a camera nuance for lack of displaying something smarter.

I'd say it's 3200...but that's just making an assumption. Either way, anything over 1600 looks really bad anyways, and is so artificially bright in darkness that I don't need it. And that's considering I only shoot weddings. ;)
 
Whatever it is, it's not 12,000 ISO. It's 3200 ISO. Notice that the only "shutter speeds" that make a difference when Exposure is set to 'S' mode are 6, 5 and 4. Three bumps in exposure. These correspond to the three grayed out ISO settings on the ISO display when in Creative Movie Mode. It goes in 1/3 stop increments: ISO 2000, 2500 and 3200.

I can also get it to do this when switching the Exposure mode in the menu to 'A', then dialing the wheel to 3 stops overexposed. Notice the last three turns of the dial give you the same three exposure bumps.
 
swyzlstyx said:
I've played around with this. I don't think it's going above 3200iso...just like when using a m4/3 lens and adjusting the compensation with the wheel (gain).

Regardless of what you put the exposure comp wheel at, and regardless of what it shows as the shutter speed, the shutter speed is LOCKED at that speed before switching to the exp comp wheel, when using a manual lens. It just bumps up the gain at the far right of the setting, but doesn't do anything at any time to the actual shutter speed...regardless of what it says on the screen. I don't think it will actually go below 1/30...the 1/4 display is apparently just a camera nuance for lack of displaying something smarter.

I'd say it's 3200...but that's just making an assumption. Either way, anything over 1600 looks really bad anyways, and is so artificially bright in darkness that I don't need it. And that's considering I only shoot weddings. ;)
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Try it out - I found most of the time the footage is perfectly fine with minor grain. If this boost gets you a properly exposed image, you'll be fine so long as you burned the streaks out of your sensor.
 
To acces shutter speeds below 1/30th

Shoot in 720p (50p/60p)
Set the dial to CREATIVE MOVIE MODE, that means the camera icon with the M.
Press MENU/SET and in the menu select EXPOSURE MODE: M
If you are using the kit lens (and I guess any other autofocus lens) make sure the focus mode dial is set to MF.
 
BhambuNath said:
Yes, I mean rotate the dial.

Yes, when you select the shutter speed and rotate the dial, it won't go below 30. Now when you are at 30, press the rotate button down so that the exposure scale is selected( which was set to aperture when you were in M mode).

While the exposure is selected bring the exposure to max by rotating the button, you will see that it's more brighter than you can have to the Manual settings.
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Thats what happens with my camera too.
No access to longer shutter speeds than 1/30
- but access to over exposure in 1-2-3 stops
This has effect on brightness, it looks like an extra gain up.

3 stops would be the same increase of brightness as 1/30 to 1/4.
(and the same as iso 1600 to 12800)
Thats my explanation of the weird 1/4 display- which I don't get with my cam.
Firmware 1.2 /pal.
 
I have a PAL model, but am using the kit lens. When in creative movie mode and exposure mode in menu set to s as specified, I press the dial down and I can either being my shutter down to 30, not below, and then it switches to the lightmeter, and i can scrool to the right and brightness happens. footage also gets much cleaner when i hit record.

why can't i dip down to 1/4th? is it because i'm using the kit lens?

i wanna piece of this too ;)

Tarek
 
its the same as what's happening to martin0reg's camera. the brightness is making a difference and the footage ain't so bad. I find that with these extra stops at 1600 its pretty noisy, yet i can go down to 800 for something acceptable noisewise out in the dark. 640 is clean. but brighter in s mode this way with exposure scale pushed up.
 
When using adapted lenses the shutter numbers turn white after one click and then seem to go down to 4, boosting the overall brightness of the image. But when using the kit lens one click just adjusts the overall exposure adjustment meter (in the middle bottom of the screen) up to + 3
 
ok so i tried this with my stock lens and S/S stays at 30, image still sucks, but.....if i throw on my fast zeiss f1.4 S/S now shows 1/4th as mentioned and bloody hell the image is quite usable.

this is from me shooting in my room with all my blinds closed with black feature wall so its pretty dark. Wherever there is a hint of light like say from the tv everything around it looks like day. Very cool to know that this can be done if you really need it.
 
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