Slider for FS700 + 7Q?

Pgale said:
I don't know what you experience is with the Kessler sliders or which one you're referring to but my cineslider and belt is super smooth. No issues what so ever.
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My experience is as stated: I work on at a rental house. So I see the use and abuse of them all the time. I have used the pocket (it is so short it is pointless), the 3' and 5'. They have to travel a lot and always perform. I have seen all the abuse and damage you can do to them. The rods are the easiest thing to damage on them behind those threads. We have had to replace a few sets of the rods. It adds up.

Personally I say the Dana Dolly. Same price, built like a tank, and when you get a better/heavier setup than the FS700 with better lenses it will still work. Only drawback is it is a bit more cumbersome (this is why A/C's and PA's were invented haha). If you don't get a Dana Dolly (which i can understand) I would go Kessler. We have tested others and usually I'm just unimpressed. The Kessler will work if you take care of it. Also I like your motorized setup. I have done numerous things with the Cinedrive and it is perfect. Using a motor with the Kessler is great. By hand is where it can be touchy.
 
You mean the pocket dolly which is a very different design to the cineslider. With the 3 and 5' do you mean cineslider or pocket dolly / stealth? The cineslider has it's rails protected as you know so damage is much harder to do. Renting these things is going to probably be the harshest environment as many people wouldn't treat them like an owner operator. So I guess you see all kinds of damage you wouldn't normally get.

Btw I wasn't doubting your experience. That was worded wrongly.

As already noted though, the Dana dolly is a very different animal to the all in one sliders. What I like about the cineslider is that I can use it vertical too or at any angle to get a variety of interesting shots and lifts. One of the biggest factors for me in choosing the cineslider was the motor system. I would have loved the cinedrive but it's just too complex for the kind of work we do. Nice kit though. Kessler are about to announce the unidrive for NAB. That will be interesting - an optically encoded motor and controller in one that allows looping moves - great for interview shoots and more flexible than the terribly noisy RRM One Man Crew that I had for a while before sending it back. BTW RRM support was terrible! They advertised it as 'silent' but it was so noisy it was unusable - they just weren't interested in fixing it. Nice concept though.
 
Pgale said:
Kessler are about to announce the unidrive for NAB. That will be interesting - an optically encoded motor and controller in one that allows looping moves - great for interview shoots and more flexible than the terribly noisy RRM One Man Crew that I had for a while before sending it back. BTW RRM support was terrible! They advertised it as 'silent' but it was so noisy it was unusable - they just weren't interested in fixing it. Nice concept though.
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I'm going to look into that. Thanks for the heads up!
 
A prototype appears briefly in one of their videos. I think it's the parallax video but I can't quite remember.
 
We are taking a close look at the Edelkrone at NAB this year. The capability to pack it in a carry on bag is a plus - IF the product actually works and can hold the camera. The next year holds a lot of travel for a couple of prefunded documentaries and some of the places we will go aren't too friendly to journalists.
 
The Edelkrone looks interesting for the size. Depends how much weight it can really cope with though without too much droop. A lot will depend on the tripod of course.
 
There is a lot of good suggestions here, I use the Atlas 30 from Cinevate, it's good, high quality, but not mobile at all, so I find that a limiting factor, go for something like the cineslider. The new Edelkrone looks pretty interesting, but I'd really want to test it beforehand. There was some issues with their original that needed to be worked out.
 
Edelkrone have advised me to go for the medium size slider with my set up. Obviously that size is of little or no use to me as I'd need maximum travel. My camera rigged is approx. 7kg and the tripod head is a further, whopping 5kg (the problem I suspect). Shame as it looks a neat design. Oh well, back to the more expensive options I guess.
 
imaj said:
I am buying in to this kickstarter program. Looks fantastic and covers a lot of needs.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jj1/axis360-modular-motion-control-for-cameras
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Hope you don't have an immediate need for a slider. I find it hard to believe they'll be able to ship hundreds of those things by May. Unfortunately, many Kickstarter projects can take a year or more to actually deliver. I'm still waiting on my Astro Timelapse that was supposed to deliver Dec 2012. I'm hopefully getting it in the next few days. The reality of that situation is that I don't really need it and none of my productions hinged on it. I feel bad for everyone who preordered the Digital Bolex for $3500 thinking they'd have it in August 2012... a year and a half later and they still have nothing to show for their money.

I've backed a handful of Kickstarter projects (ten, not a ton but enough to have experience) and all I can say is this: If it's something you need for your job, don't buy it from Kickstarter. If it's something you actually need in under a year, DON'T BUY IT FROM KICKSTARTER.
 
I use the Konova K7 120cm slider with an old Vinten Pro 5 head (same as a Manfrotto). Works pretty well if I lighten the FS700 rig to bare minimum - although I still have my EVF attached. I also have the optional Konova crank handle/ribbon for very slow and smooth slides. I generally attach one end of the slider to my Vinten tripod (with pan and tilt head) and the other end to a sturdy lighting stand, with a tilting spigot attachment (this allows me to use the slider in diagonal positions for jib-like movements). I have to tighten everything down and balance the camera, otherwise wobbles can incur, but I find if I steady the head as it goes along, with a bit of practice, it results in very nice slides. Very happy so far. For long slides I still use my tracking and dolly of course.
 
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Pgale said:
The Edelkrone looks interesting for the size. Depends how much weight it can really cope with though without too much droop. A lot will depend on the tripod of course.
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I would not recommend edelkrone at all! 1 product that is good - Edelkrone EVF holder, and cold shoe mounts, cheese plate! i can recommend it, but only that, nothing more!

i would not recommend Edelkrone slider!!! 1st of all their V2 - is simply not smooth at the very middle where the bottom and top part meet each other!!! i have tried 1 slider at European expo it was not smooth at the middle, i hoped it was a use issue as it expo, but after i bought it - i had same problem, so its sucks....

now 1 word about support, they sell for extra - Protection Plan! dont buy it, it does not work.... they offer 90 days for return, well i want to return my slider but they keep ignoring my emails! seems like they wait till 90days are out!

i had their - follow focus "focus one pro" - it has a big play, enough to make a bump sound each time u rotate it.... to me its kind of a junk, sold it to 1 local fan ....

i had their modula 7 shoulder support system - and did not like it, .... its seems like a good idea, but small things makes u hate it....
1. 1st its heavy, maybe good for dslr, but not for camcorder with all accessories...
2. there is no way u could adjust something on a fly... its strong but as its all metal and when u want to move something back or forward .... metal parts not smooth when they rubs against each other...
3. all the screws that hold parts together are so small that if u will try to unscrew something on a go - 100% that screw will fall down on a flour, i tried and every single time , no meter how hard i tried, it was always on a flour
4. the shoulder part that rotates, and because it rotates - does make sound....
5. BUTTERFLY SCREWS (its to small)- just killed me - its probably the 1st reason why i sold it- i had them on my handles and in order to secure the handle tight so that it would not move - u have to use all the power u have in your fingers, but then if u need to untighten it, man u ll break your fingers each time u do it, and there is no way to do it with just 1 hand..... it was night mare .... imagine doing it with the full rig.... terrible experience. thanks god i got a buyer in Russia....

so Edelkrone sliders and at its price range - u ll find a better option, price is very close to a pro level of products...
 
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