signs of the time--job opporunities

My question, have you really created a clock made from a burrito? (or burritos?)

If so i think it would make for a great documentary.
 
MadHMC150 said:
Each person has a different experience level and equipment... thus its very difficult to say whats a good rate and whats not...

Someone that has invested $75k in film school, has some experience under their belt, and has $5000 in equipment is going to want more money than someone that just bought a $800 camera and edits on their 2 year old mac that is looking for experience...

That's just the nature of the biz - You get what you pay for.

Also JonE is right... often you are picking up the slack and having to bite your tongue when you really spent 8 hours for travel/setup/troubleshooting/breakdown on the project.
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I disagree 100%. "Talent" has a price and I'm more than sure there is someone out there who has never been to school and can shoot and edit something better than you. Perfect example is people who go to school and spend money really have no idea what they are doing and actually learn in the field.


IF you think because you have spent $50k+ on school and have an X amount of gear makes you better you are highly mistaken. Even if you've ben doing this for 20 years or whatever amount doesn't make you better. In my town I am taking peoples jobs left and right because of the time, love and finally skill I have for this.

People need to get with the times, and I agree 100% with ROCKMORE that someone with a T2i and a Laptop can actually produce a full Hd project.


* I have never been to school and am a self taught videographer learning from forums, websites, and actual shooting.

The person with the best quality at the best prices are the ones who are going to survive.......
 
Cieloent said:
I disagree 100%. "Talent" has a price and I'm more than sure there is someone out there who has never been to school and can shoot and edit something better than you. Perfect example is people who go to school and spend money really have no idea what they are doing and actually learn in the field.


IF you think because you have spent $50k+ on school and have an X amount of gear makes you better you are highly mistaken. Even if you've ben doing this for 20 years or whatever amount doesn't make you better. In my town I am taking peoples jobs left and right because of the time, love and finally skill I have for this.

People need to get with the times, and I agree 100% with ROCKMORE that someone with a T2i and a Laptop can actually produce a full Hd project.


* I have never been to school and am a self taught videographer learning from forums, websites, and actual shooting.

The person with the best quality at the best prices are the ones who are going to survive.......
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I didn't see anything anywhere in his statement about different levels of talent. Assume both people have the same level of talent. Person A (with the experience/gear/etc.) is going to get hired a hell of a lot more than person B and they're going to command a higher rate.

Experience is what is going to get you onto the playing field. Talent is what's going to keep you there.
 
If it takes 2 hours by the time you drive there, set up, meet the talent, direct, record, edit encode and upload it an all day affair. And that doesn't include the casting call. That's generally how it works.

So if thats close to correct your making $150 day so if you could do this full time your making $750 a week or $36,000 a year or $22,320 after taxes. So if your going to do it cheaper to be more competitive can you define survival?

Don't forget to subtract a percentage of the $5,000 to $7,000 for the equipment.
 
handsome pete said:
I didn't see anything anywhere in his statement about different levels of talent. Assume both people have the same level of talent. Person A (with the experience/gear/etc.) is going to get hired a hell of a lot more than person B and they're going to command a higher rate.

Experience is what is going to get you onto the playing field. Talent is what's going to keep you there.
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You need to learn how to read in between the lines then. When someone says


"You get what you are paying for" they are implying that because of price you are receiving a less quality than someone who is charging more and that is simply not true. When he says that when you hire someone who works with an "$800 camera and edits on a 2 year old computer" wants less than that's what you get.


See for whatever reason that person is disgruntled that people can own an $800 camera and edit on a 2 year old Mac and get work somehow bothers him.

Let me leave here now, because if you still don't understand where I'm coming from then there's no need to keep typing back and fourth. All I can say is every director, videographer, etc. better step their game up because the new wave of talent is learning and learning fast and if you don't get with the times your going to be without a job.
 
Cieloent said:
You need to learn how to read in between the lines then. When someone says


"You get what you are paying for" they are implying that because of price you are receiving a less quality than someone who is charging more and that is simply not true. When he says that when you hire someone who works with an "$800 camera and edits on a 2 year old computer" wants less than that's what you get.


See for whatever reason that person is disgruntled that people can own an $800 camera and edit on a 2 year old Mac and get work somehow bothers him.

Let me leave here now, because if you still don't understand where I'm coming from then there's no need to keep typing back and fourth. All I can say is every director, videographer, etc. better step their game up because the new wave of talent is learning and learning fast and if you don't get with the times your going to be without a job.
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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say, but based on the history of your posts here, you often toe the line of "DSLRs are just as good as everything else out there." So I felt the urge to jump in.

The problem with the argument is that the original "film school graduate with experience and expensive gear" vs. "newcomer t2i old computer guy" is flawed to begin with. It's a really general statement. There are so many other factors to consider.

The great thing about these low cost DSLRs is that it really gives a lot of opportunity for those with talent to hone their craft at remarkably lower costs than the past. The only drawback is now you have to wade through a much bigger pool to find that talent. So it's a good thing that we live in the age of the internet, which is a great complimentary tool for the process.
 
handsome pete said:
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say, but based on the history of your posts here, you often toe the line of "DSLRs are just as good as everything else out there." So I felt the urge to jump in.

The problem with the argument is that the original "film school graduate with experience and expensive gear" vs. "newcomer t2i old computer guy" is flawed to begin with. It's a really general statement. There are so many other factors to consider.

The great thing about these low cost DSLRs is that it really gives a lot of opportunity for those with talent to hone their craft at remarkably lower costs than the past. The only drawback is now you have to wade through a much bigger pool to find that talent. So it's a good thing that we live in the age of the internet, which is a great complimentary tool for the process.
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Please tell me what is better than a Dslr? Forget charts and tests. Major production videos and films are being shot with them. I mean on paper a Red camera and Films camera is a lot better, but for the internet world and even broadcast tv I think DSLRs are pretty even.

Good lighting, good lenses and people who know how to work their gear provide amazing results from these dslrs. I am currently handling a project shot on a very expensive camera ( 10k+ )and personal I think it looks horrible compared to what I have done with an $900 camera.

I'm done here

$0.02
 
Cieloent said:
Please tell me what is better than a Dslr?
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That's your problem right there. You can't get over the fact that DSLRs aren't the be all end all solution. Sure, they're being used for some high end work which is awesome. But I'd imagine that only encompasses less than 1% of all the high end stuff being produced.

But back to your question. It can't be answered. A DSLR is better than other cameras in a lot of ways. A DSLR is also far inferior to a lot of cameras in just as many ways.
 
Cieloent said:
Please tell me what is better than a Dslr? Forget charts and tests. Major production videos and films are being shot with them. I mean on paper a Red camera and Films camera is a lot better, but for the internet world and even broadcast tv I think DSLRs are pretty even.

Good lighting, good lenses and people who know how to work their gear provide amazing results from these dslrs.
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You are right. I have an Arri 35mm camera package.The image is amazing, but to shoot 2, 400 ft cans, develop and get a daily costs more that the price of the 550D. That's just 8 minutes of film.
For commercials film is still the best, but for everything else a DSLR with a 35mm cine full gate sensor can do the job. Corporate work is still best for me with the EX3, but that will soon change too.
My ARRI hasn't been out of the Pelican case in a while and sees the light of day less and less. Am I crying about it, hell no! The 550D is out every day and most people can't even tell the difference these days.

The most important tools today are your brain and a telephone. Get your energy and ideas out there and you will find the way.
 
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I dont know.. those are Saturdays which could be very good money days. Man the price gouging is nasty nowadays. And they want you to have equipment... choke
 
handsome pete said:
I didn't see anything anywhere in his statement about different levels of talent. Assume both people have the same level of talent. Person A (with the experience/gear/etc.) is going to get hired a hell of a lot more than person B and they're going to command a higher rate.

Experience is what is going to get you onto the playing field. Talent is what's going to keep you there.
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Exactly - Obviously I am not saying one is going to be better than the other all the time. Talent and creativity don't really depend on a skill set - but those with the larger skill set can and will charge more money...

The problem is just that - more competition - more unsatisfied customers complaining about the guy they hired last time with a "$800 camera and 2 year old mac." Not literally that equip, but just had a client say all their last years video was out of focus and they were very disappointed...

And I know better to say, YOU guys and others cant do a GREAT job with the $800 camera. IMO DSLR's in general are not adequate for what I shoot.

Ill just say - MOST of the time - you get what you pay for.
 
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