Sigma fp

Nice design although I'd get a Nikon Z6 or Pana S1 over this probably.

Cool to see another player in the game.
 
Just the fact that they got in contact with Timur Civan for that promo tells me that they're serious about video. (Timur used to be very active here at dvxuser but hasn't posted in months)
 
DLD said:
One thing that might place it apart from others is the HDR mode in video. Then again, while it might have the external Cinema DNG, it might not have the best codec internally. And $2,000 gets you the Z-cam and Erik's personal guarantee.
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I wonder if the HDR mode will have movement artifacts. If not thats a huge selling point, especially if its in 4K.
 
2 things that I saw, so far, in the sigma fp manual that I noted.

1. If sigma pushes this as cine camera, as well as photo, how come they don't have 24P? It only has 23.97P as well as 25P and 30P.

2. Though might not concern some users, electronic stabilization does NOT work with CDNG raw codec.
 
Ted Ramasola said:
2 things that I saw, so far, in the sigma fp manual that I noted.

1. If sigma pushes this as cine camera, as well as photo, how come they don't have 24P? It only has 23.97P as well as 25P and 30P.
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I was hoping I'd just missed a 24p frame rate option.

Panasonic has the same bug on the S1H, because in the frame rate menu it shows 24, but after selecting it it shows that the recording frame rate is 23.97.

When I select 24 I expect 24, not 23.97. I expect a frame rate of 23.97 to be listed as 23.97... ergo, it's a bug. A minor one that hopefully ought to be pretty straightforward to fix with a firmware update...
 
There's a similar conversation regarding framerates on BMCuser.

In short, 99% of digital cameras since the beginning of their creation have rounded up in their menu systems because 99% of these cameras offered to general consumers/prosumers never had a true 24.00p option (until the last several years).

So 24p was always 23.98p besides for ARRI and RED users and most recently Blackmagic (~7 years) whom always offered both. And 99% of people don't have access to the ARRIs and REDs.

Same with 60p...people talk about 60p but it's always 59.94p unless it's a true 60.00p.
 
Tamerlin said:
I was hoping I'd just missed a 24p frame rate option.

Panasonic has the same bug on the S1H, because in the frame rate menu it shows 24, but after selecting it it shows that the recording frame rate is 23.97.

When I select 24 I expect 24, not 23.97. I expect a frame rate of 23.97 to be listed as 23.97... ergo, it's a bug. A minor one that hopefully ought to be pretty straightforward to fix with a firmware update...
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On the Panasonic S1H, you need to set the System Frequency to 24.00 Hz Cinema (rather than 59.94 Hz NTSC) if you want to record in true 24 fps. When the System Frequency of the camera is set to 59.94 Hz, the 24p recording modes will record in 23.98 fps.

This is the same as how things work on the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s.
 
NorBro said:
There's a similar conversation regarding framerates on BMCuser.

In short, 99% of digital cameras since the beginning of their creation have rounded up in their menu systems because 99% of these cameras offered to general consumers/prosumers never had a true 24.00p option (until the last several years).

So 24p was always 23.98p besides for ARRI and RED users and most recently Blackmagic (~7 years) whom always offered both. And 99% of people don't have access to the ARRIs and REDs.

Same with 60p...people talk about 60p but it's always 59.94p unless it's a true 60.00p.
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F900(2000) and all VariCam’s(original 2001) have true 24. As does the C300 and F55/5. Excluding the F900(even though I knew guys who did own them) these are not 1% cameras, these are/were workhorse cameras in the industry, not just for rental houses.

Sony was doing 24.00 well before RED even had a prototype working.
 
Yeah, there are more cameras that had/have it as there were hopes they would be the leading industry-hardware (and some were for their time in video production).

Meant the ones actually being used the most in cinema history to capture 24.00 (ARRI and RED).

Out of curiosity, did you ever use 24.00 for any content you shot with the Varicams?
 
davedv said:
On the Panasonic S1H, you need to set the System Frequency to 24.00 Hz Cinema (rather than 59.94 Hz NTSC) if you want to record in true 24 fps. When the System Frequency of the camera is set to 59.94 Hz, the 24p recording modes will record in 23.98 fps.

This is the same as how things work on the Panasonic GH5 and GH5s.
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Then I just tripped the Panasonic rep up because he didn't know that...
 
NorBro said:
Yeah, there are more cameras that had/have it as there were hopes they would be the leading industry-hardware (and some were for their time in video production).

Meant the ones actually being used the most in cinema history to capture 24.00 (ARRI and RED).

Out of curiosity, did you ever use 24.00 for any content you shot with the Varicams?
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To my recollection*, I have never shot true 24.00, because it's only really useful(necessary) if you're doing a "film out". And back in those early days, F900's and VariCam's were being used in productions for theatrical release. Shooting 24.00 when your intended use is US television isn't going to do anything but complicate matters. So, in a lot of regards, having true 24.00 on a lot of cameras isn't really needed, but(especially now) I don't see any real reason why it shouldn't be there as an option on any camera that does do 23.98, unless manufacturers are just trying to "save people from themselves", meaning there'd be lots of people shooting true 24.00 when they really need 23.98 and screwing themselves in post.



*I did shoot a movie promo interview with an actor that was shown in theaters to preview the upcoming movie and it may have been possible that we shot 24.00, but that was years ago and I'm thinking we still shot 23.98.
 
I've sometimes had a little confusion on set when a producer asked for 24.00 and I then explained that isn't an option on the camera they hired me with.
 
John Brawley said:
You 23.98 shooters forget that the rest of the world does shoot 24. Those that are in 50hz countries.

JB
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I brought up something similar in a few other threads, recently. I completely understand why we had “fractional frame rates” here in the US, but as we’ve been moving forward, the ATSC(NTSC doesn’t technically exist anymore) and other technical standards bodies should have been working to phase them out and move us to whole frame rates. With UHD/4K standards, interlace was finally killed off, so why not continue forward and move us to whole frame rates? And “because of legacy equipment/footage/standards” isn’t an answer, it’s an excuse(is anyone still worried about someone watching on a 4:3 analog, B&W CRT?). In our digital, scalable world that we work and live in, there should be a way to move towards whole frame rates and still maintain compatibility with legacy equipment/footage for a transitional period, just like with HD/SD.
 
NorBro said:
25p?
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No for cinema, we shoot straight 24.

It's ONLY in the US and Japan that it's 23.98.

Some will shoot 25 for straight to TV (in the old days) but now I see most films are 24 and most TV is 24 UNLESS the post is being done in the US, because they all expect 23.98

A lot of cameras were releases as 50Hz versions in Australia. Panasonic always used to release the 25P / 24P versions of their cameras about a year after the US models and it always made everyone crazy....

This is why you have a AF100, AF101, AF101E variants. They all had different frame rates loaded depending ont he regions they were sold to.

I'm doing a Hulu show in London, and because the post is LA based, we're shooting 23.98, but that's unusual.

JB
 
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You've mentioned you work on a lot of TV so I imagine 23.98p is still the standard, but cinema is 24.00 here in the USA too.

As far as the camera variants it's still like that for many of those type of cameras that release various models. Some may be world cameras though.
 
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