Should I upgrade to Premiere CS6 before Adobe drops the boom on us?

hscully said:
That's how I feel. I'm done with Adobe when CS6 no longer works. I think it's OK for a while. How do you manage XAVC on CS6? I heard that Davinci Resolve is becoming a full featured editing suite. What about compositing? I've checked out Avid Media Composer, still an option. Smoke looks freakin' awesome but no Win X64 there, just mac
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For 4k XAVC I transcode with Davinci and get any flavour of H.264 or ProRes I want, and use round-trip editing workflow process to Davinci and back to Premiere. It works like a charm and it allows me to edit with smaller files or share the files and the edit project file with others without having to worry about duplicating whopping files all over the place.


On another note telling someone they shouldn't be in business because they can't afford $50 is pretty lame. I don't want to pay $50/month because I'm cheap, and I do not endorse subscription based software because a manufacturer is ignorant enough to think it is better for me but hasn't asked. Keep paying those monthly fees and others will soon follow.

The only 'F' you in this forum should be to Adobe.
 
Adobe has become The Borg....almost as bad as Apple. Had a project today that wouldn't open with CS6. Added premier CC and it opened fine. curse them!!
 
May I suggest taking a look at Lightworks? http://www.lwks.com/

It is a cross platform port of a classic dedicated hardware heavy iron feature film editing program. It has been around as long as AVID, but is not well known outside of the feature film industry as it was not developed originally as a video editor.

You can download the free version which is limited to 720p web format export to give it a try. Annual subscription for the pro version is just $79.99 or $279.99 for outright purchase.
I've been playing with the beta versions for Windows since it was first announced. The third release version, 11.5 is now available.
Very powerful program. The film editing paradigm for project management just clicked for me. Wonderfully efficient editing timeline.
Works on any scale from solo desktop use to team based feature film collaboration.

Here is a screen shot sample of one of the color grading tools.
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It has been running reasonably well on my 5 year old Core 2 duo laptop for simple stuff. Will be installing it on a new Haswell workstation this weekend.
I've been editing some personal DV footage from my old Canon GL2 and experimenting with editing Jpeg and tiff frame sequences from DNG raw footage.
So far I'm really loving it for a one stop solution for the kind of simple doc work and experimental fine art films I have in mind. But it is powerful enough to scale to 4k 3d finish work at up to 60fps. Worth a tryout.


A sample DNG clip of Phillip Bloom's Digital Bolex footage. This was one lighted and transcoded to a jpeg frame sequence in Capture One Pro. Titles, fades, and export to H.264 right out of Lightworks.
 
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starcentral said:
For 4k XAVC I transcode with Davinci and get any flavour of H.264 or ProRes I want, and use round-trip editing workflow process to Davinci and back to Premiere. It works like a charm and it allows me to edit with smaller files or share the files and the edit project file with others without having to worry about duplicating whopping files all over the place.
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Cool. I'm getting a chance to shoot with an F5 in March. I'm really psyched about it. I won't be editing but I wanted to know so that I could test. Will the free version of Davinci Resolve do that round trip?
On another note telling someone they shouldn't be in business because they can't afford $50 is pretty lame. I don't want to pay $50/month because I'm cheap, and I do not endorse subscription based software because a manufacturer is ignorant enough to think it is better for me but hasn't asked. Keep paying those monthly fees and others will soon follow.

The only 'F' you in this forum should be to Adobe.
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I can see CC for the shops maybe, but not so much for freelancers. The perpetual license is an investment. Unless Adobe does a great job with service, I think people will jump much more easily due to this model.
 
Razz16mm said:
May I suggest taking a look at Lightworks? http://www.lwks.com/



It has been running reasonably well on my 5 year old Core 2 duo laptop for simple stuff. Will be installing it on a new Haswell workstation this weekend.
I've been editing some personal DV footage from my old Canon GL2 and experimenting with editing Jpeg and tiff frame sequences from DNG raw footage.
So far I'm really loving it for a one stop solution for the kind of simple doc work and experimental fine art films I have in mind. But it is powerful enough to scale to 4k 3d finish work at up to 60fps. Worth a tryout.
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Definitly worth a try out. Thanks for the heads up
 
hscully said:
Yeah, I was sorry to see that. I understand how emotional people get around this - you have an investment in money buying the suite, and in time and money learning this software, then the company changes the deal from perpetual license to a subscription that you do not want to engage in. I admit feeling a bit betrayed by this.
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After Apple launched FCPX and killed DVD SP, FCP7, Color, SoundTrack Pro and Final Cut Server overnight that made me do a 180 on how I approach my tools. Now, I didn't expect to be editing on FCP7 50 years from now but I also didn't expect Apple to blow things up the way they did. Thankfully I was also fluent on Avid so I could switch over easily to Avid gigs as those came up but these days I'm much more in the moment and utilitarian with my mindset. I want to have at least working knowledge of 3 NLEs at any given time and I'm not going to assume the NLE landscape 5 years from now will be similar to the landscape of today. For example, I'm not really worried about the cost/benefit of Adobe CC 5-10yrs down the road because I don't even know if I'll be using 5-10yrs down the road. But using Adobe today is more cost effective for me than not using it, so I'm going to use it.

Granted, I'm a freelancer bouncing between gigs so my approach might be different than from someone that doesn't edit full time and/or is not a freelancer.

Razz16mm said:
May I suggest taking a look at Lightworks? http://www.lwks.com/

It is a cross platform port of a classic dedicated hardware heavy iron feature film editing program. It has been around as long as AVID, but is not well known outside of the feature film industry as it was not developed originally as a video editor.
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I've been wanting to try Lightworks for years but the Mac beta still isn't out yet. All of the roll outs seemed to happen far behind schedule and that makes me worry about timely support and upgrades.


-Andrew
 
hscully said:
Cool. I'm getting a chance to shoot with an F5 in March. I'm really psyched about it. I won't be editing but I wanted to know so that I could test. Will the free version of Davinci Resolve do that round trip?
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Yes the free version of Davinci will do practically everything the full version will do, except the lite version can not be used to output in 4k. It will open 4k files from F5/F55, RED, etc.. but not output them. That is not a problem for most people.

If you are shooting on F5 in March feel free to shoot me a message for any help with it. I've also published a lot of details on shooting with them on my blog... link is below.

Cheers,
 
starcentral said:
Yes the free version of Davinci will do practically everything the full version will do, except the lite version can not be used to output in 4k. It will open 4k files from F5/F55, RED, etc.. but not output them. That is not a problem for most people.
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Resolve Lite 10 will output UHD and that will probably be the much more common form of 4k rather than 4k DCP (yes, I know UHD is really quad-HD not 4k but UDH is already getting branded and commonly referred to as 4k and that's not going to change).
 
hscully said:
I can see CC for the shops maybe, but not so much for freelancers. The perpetual license is an investment. Unless Adobe does a great job with service, I think people will jump much more easily due to this model.
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Most all of the freelancers that I know here in DC, and I know most all of them, bought into the CC.
 
Wow, this discussion has moved a long in the last two days.

My new hardware has me editing on PP CC again, and rocket fast. I have also looked at FCPX on Lynda.com which is very different then 7 but might be worth a try. And as Dennis says Resolve is worth the look. I have in front of me the Ripple USB tutorial for Resolve 9 and 10. Will not have time till March to check them out. But I like Dennis workflow it makes sense to me and will give it a go, but for now I need to keep pumping out edits and shooting this month.

By the way Dennis, thanks for all you do on the forums. Here and mostly other forums. It is people like you that make the forums great. Cheers
 
The thing to do is to upgrade to CS6 while you can and then to stick with it. It works and is stabe. You may not need to upgrade for years. By then, if enough people complain, Adobe may make the purchase of an upgrade to CS7 available. I believe they are now testing the waters and if people protest enough, they will have to retract or revise this silly and abusive mandatory rental policy.
 
I don't need to hold my breath. The people on this forum are professionals. They can afford to pay 300 Euros a year to rent software. The common man who uses Premiere in his spare time will never go along with this Policy. When the Adobe market share drops (and with this Policy it is bound to drop) Adobe will cut itself off from its base. Adobe will sooner or later come back begging for the regular clients to return. Their current policy is pure elitist sucide.
 
Amadou said:
I don't need to hold my breath. The people on this forum are professionals. They can afford to pay 300 Euros a year to rent software. The common man who uses Premiere in his spare time will never go along with this Policy. When the Adobe market share drops (and with this Policy it is bound to drop) Adobe will cut itself off from its base. Adobe will sooner or later come back begging for the regular clients to return. Their current policy is pure elitist sucide.
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Really?

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Amadou said:
I don't need to hold my breath. The people on this forum are professionals. They can afford to pay 300 Euros a year to rent software. The common man who uses Premiere in his spare time will never go along with this Policy. When the Adobe market share drops (and with this Policy it is bound to drop) Adobe will cut itself off from its base. Adobe will sooner or later come back begging for the regular clients to return. Their current policy is pure elitist sucide.
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Really, my thought was it would be a godsend to someone not needing these tools full time. They would normally have to purchase the software at full price, even if they only needed it 3 times a year. With the subscription method they would only need to pay for it when needed, and then drop it when not needed.
 
Amadou said:
They can afford to pay 300 Euros a year to rent software. The common man who uses Premiere in his spare time will never go along with this Policy.
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What was the buy in price for a full version of CS6? I kinda remember that Production Suite was around $1500 or $2000? Each annual upgrade was more than $500. I think that's more out of reach for the "common man" than buying in for the occasional month or spreading that cost over the longer term.
Not to get back into this pissing match as I personally don't really like the subscription model, but it certainly does work for a lot of people and it works for Adobe. It's not going to change. If anything we'll see more software go this route despite the yelling and screaming coming out of Bamako.
 
From Adobe's point of view the subscription model has been a rousing success. They used to sell maybe 80k suite packages a year. Subscriptions the first year were more than 3 times that number. Up to over a million now.

Fact is whether subscription or one time purchase fee you never actually own software, only a license to use it.
Personally I would not lay out $1500 or more for an already obsolete software package with no upgrade path. What if the next camera you buy shoots an unsupported codec?
 
Razz16mm said:
Fact is whether subscription or one time purchase fee you never actually own software, only a license to use it.
Personally I would not lay out $1500 or more for an already obsolete software package with no upgrade path. What if the next camera you buy shoots an unsupported codec?
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I agree w/your overall point but Adobe has said they will continue to support CS6 with bug fixes and codec support as long as they are selling it.


-Andrew
 
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