Should I upgrade to Premiere CS6 before Adobe drops the boom on us?

I agree that we'll find out how it all shakes out and I hope it works well Performance enhancement is a worthy goal, and I think it's time well spent. It's just not innovation which is the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices and methods. Maintenance, however important, does not qualify as innovation.
 
Steve Forde from Adobe put up a blog post a few weeks ago and basically asked the AE community how they would feel if for all of 2014 the engineering focus on AE was just to make it incredibility faster. It was a bit of a thinking out loud type blog post, but in the comments there is resounding support from users for spending the whole year on just getting a much faster version of AE.
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I like this thinking. Or at least the concept of throwing the question out to the masses. (and thanks for answering my question Andrew) Personally, I don't need any new bells & whistles with AE at this time, yes, just make it faster.

In regards to CC and a monthly fee, I've certainly been thinking about this more & more since this thread started......I pay monthly fees for cable (ugggh, why?) & internet, cell phones, utilities....ect. I can start to see where this business model comes from, even if I'm not totally a fan. Right now I'm lucky enough to use CC on someone else's dime to see if it's worth eventually upgrading for my personal computer.

After some thought, I wish Adobe would come out with a more structured monthly plan for each sector of working professionals. And bring the price down to reflect what software you need. Ie, i don't need Fireworks, In Design, Muse, ect. But if they could offer something similar to the "Production Premium" I might be game. I know there is an ala carte, but for the programs I *do* need, the price would exceed the monthly fee, I think?

@ Paul: I will have to cut a PP project or two to see if crashing/renders are an issue. Milage will obviously vary with all different computers, codecs, file sizes, etc.
 
hscully said:
I agree that we'll find out how it all shakes out and I hope it works well Performance enhancement is a worthy goal, and I think it's time well spent. It's just not innovation which is the act or process of introducing new ideas, devices and methods. Maintenance, however important, does not qualify as innovation.
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I guess I don't see big performance increases as maintenance. Maintenance, to me, are things like bug fixes and added codec support. And honestly how many new features truly count as innovative and how many are refinements/improvements of existing tools, additions of tools that other products already have or just filler for the marketing materials? I guess, ultimately, I just want better products that improve my workflow and that can come in the form of new widgets, better performance or even an improved UI (all of which have the potential to be innovative).


Scott F said:
After some thought, I wish Adobe would come out with a more structured monthly plan for each sector of working professionals. And bring the price down to reflect what software you need. Ie, i don't need Fireworks, In Design, Muse, ect. But if they could offer something similar to the "Production Premium" I might be game. I know there is an ala carte, but for the programs I *do* need, the price would exceed the monthly fee, I think?
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I too would like some more options from Adobe (basically the CS packages as opposed to only the all-in-one plan) as well as a buyout option for the most current version of the software after you've been a CC subscriber for a set length of time.


-Andrew
 
adkimery said:
I guess I don't see big performance increases as maintenance. Maintenance, to me, are things like bug fixes and added codec support. And honestly how many new features truly count as innovative and how many are refinements/improvements of existing tools, additions of tools that other products already have or just filler for the marketing materials? I guess, ultimately, I just want better products that improve my workflow and that can come in the form of new widgets, better performance or even an improved UI (all of which have the potential to be innovative).
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I think of an added codec as a feature addition, especially that kind of feature, that in a perpetual license would be a huge incentive for the user to upgrade. It's not a well drawn line. Hardware support is another gray area. Is that a feature or maintenance? I'd say feature. Performance without additional functionality still seems like maintenance to me. UI improvements I think are features, any added functionality where it does something it didn't do before. I think another category "support" might fit for additional codecs or hardware compatibility. This, I think is a strong point for CC.
 
Well I just upgraded all of my hardware and will push PP CC this week and see if it cuts the mustard for me. Support was zero help. They did not even know why there was a problem. And I sent a notice in that there was a bug and a US support person (I will leave his name out) said he would help me the next day. That was Wed and this is Sat. Also support said they would follow up and help solve the problem in 48 hrs. That was Tuesday. So I rate support very low which is a shame since they tell you different, but marketing always stretches the string.

Once the current project is set I will also load FCPX. I have been told on the Sony Professional Forum by other F55 owners editing 4K that FCPX is great with Davinci Resolve 10. Then no monthly fee.

At least for now I hope to be moving forward since as always tight deadline. Come on media upload quicker.
 
Amadou said:
Why should they bother with you? You are now a cash cow and as long as you pay every month they are in no rush to fix any problem. So "F" you and pay your monthly fee. :)
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They have updated it twice since I have started using it!

And I don't particularly care to be told to "F" myself!
 
Thank you David I was not even going to bother, some people just don't know how to communicate.

Agree Adobe update it often, and are working hard on improving the software. But I think they still have a lot of bugs. Talked with US top support team today and they admit there are items that need fixing. Will always be the case with software. My new fast hardware is helping and has me back editing. I will be in contact with the US support and try and help them out with specific problems.
 
I will never ever EVER move to cloud based subscription software period. I've used CS5.5 and now use CS6 and there is not too much difference or benefit to CS6 but I found both extremely stable on Windows x64.

By the time CS6 is no longer is able to run on future version hardware or Windows operating systems I will be editing in Davinci Resolve which is coming in due time.

I was a huge Adobe fan for decades. CC has changed all of that.

EDIT: And yes, despite what others say, I 100% do hate Adobe for doing this and they will never see a red cent out of me ever again.
 
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That's how I feel. I'm done with Adobe when CS6 no longer works. I think it's OK for a while. How do you manage XAVC on CS6? I heard that Davinci Resolve is becoming a full featured editing suite. What about compositing? I've checked out Avid Media Composer, still an option. Smoke looks freakin' awesome but no Win X64 there, just mac
 
I'm with the last two posters. I am a longtime Mac/FCP user. Switched to CS6 after FCP X was so
different from FCP 7. CS 6 was so much closer to what I was used to, I could even move my keyboard
shortcuts over. But after CC, ugh. I'll move back to FCP X and learn a whole new way of editing before
I pay Adobe's subscription. Motion will be a close enough substitution for AE for the kind of work I do.
Not very happy with Adobe right now....
 
Hey I respect everyone's opinion whether they upgrade or not. What I do not respect, is a post telling those that have upgraded to "F" You.
 
Yeah, I was sorry to see that. I understand how emotional people get around this - you have an investment in money buying the suite, and in time and money learning this software, then the company changes the deal from perpetual license to a subscription that you do not want to engage in. I admit feeling a bit betrayed by this.

However, as visceral as all this can become, everybody, myself included should remain civil. Good folks on this site have talked about how good the subscription is for them and as you say, we should respect that and conversely subscribers can respect our decision not to go with it. Comments like "get over it" I find specifically disrespectful of those who do not want to subscribe.

No place at all for "F" you... that's over the line
 
David W. Jones said:
Hey I respect everyone's opinion whether they upgrade or not. What I do not respect, is a post telling those that have upgraded to "F" You.
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Yeah, not cool. I think what he was trying to say, is that he feels(fears?) that Adobe may
have less incentive to continue improving their software (service?)when you are tied to
it through subscription. But it was said in a way that sounded as if he was saying 'F' You
directly instead of explaining that he feels that Adobe will say that to subscribers.
Bad form either way.

I have no problem with subscriptions, it obviously works very well for some people.
Just like leasing cars works well for some people. Just not me. So the removal of
the choice is what causes me to not be happy with Adobe. I know why they
did it, those reasons have been discussed.

It would be similar to one of the major car companies...
say Ford, deciding you can no longer buy vehicles from them, only lease them.
People who like Ford vehicles and don't want to lease would be upset, even
though they could buy a Chevy.
 
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Yeah, I hate Adobe's new CC subscription model as well. But business is business and I'll troop forward. That being said, we also use FCP X, and still use FCP 7 for a few things. We have also been looking at Smoke for Mac. And while Motion is nice, it's not After Effects, and we use AE a bunch. I can understand folks getting upset at Adobe. I will not use Avid to this day, because they boned me big time years back, which made me purchase a Media 100 system. Funny, I was in my attic this weekend, which has become a computer graveyard with a pair of Media Composers, Media 100, Pro Tools rigs, After Effects render farm with ICE cards, and there in the corner 3 old SGI workstations, which ran at the time, ultra high end software which you didn't purchase, but leased.

All the best!

Dave
 
hscully said:
However, as visceral as all this can become, everybody, myself included should remain civil. Good folks on this site have talked about how good the subscription is for them and as you say, we should respect that and conversely subscribers can respect our decision not to go with it. Comments like "get over it" I find specifically disrespectful of those who do not want to subscribe.
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My pet peeve is when CC subscribers try and tell me that
'Its less than your cup of coffee every morning'
(which would be why I don't drink coffee)

or even better

'If you can't afford $50 a month for software, you really shouldn't be in business
anyways.'

I could 'afford' to pay a witch doctor $50 a month to shake a rattlesnake
cane with dollar bill signs on it over my head every month too. Just because
I think it would be a bad investment for my business, in my market (and
trust me, I know much more about my market than these people 'advising'
me on how great CC is) does NOT mean I 'shouldn't be in business then'.
 
alaskacameradude said:
My pet peeve is when CC subscribers try and tell me that
'Its less than your cup of coffee every morning'
(which would be why I don't drink coffee) .
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Well coffee is my thing!

I bought a Jura Capresso coffee/espresso machine in 2003 as a $2000 business expense and put it on the schedule.

That comes out to 50 cents a day not including beans.
 
alaskacameradude said:
My pet peeve is when CC subscribers try and tell me that
'Its less than your cup of coffee every morning'
(which would be why I don't drink coffee)

or even better

'If you can't afford $50 a month for software, you really shouldn't be in business
anyways.'
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This one is really egregious to me too, and not all that reflective of the presence of an astute businessman. A subscription is an operational cost and may be a tax liability compared with the purchase of a perpetual license which can be treated as a capital cost. Each of us knows how we can use editing software best. For me, I don't edit by the hour, my work is project based. So, while I'm out shooting, I'm unable to make use of that subscription. Furthermore, I don't want all that other stuff besides what's necessary for editing video and sometimes you hear "you get all that other stuff," to which I will now reply your comment below! Very funny.

I could 'afford' to pay a witch doctor $50 a month to shake a rattlesnake
cane with dollar bill signs on it over my head every month too.
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Jim Simon said:
Ironically, that's one of the best reasons to upgrade to CC. The work flow has definitely improved and is faster and easier than CS6.
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I'm glad, for you, that's it is faster and easier. Kumbaya!

Your suggestion implies that I charge a flat rate to edit a project and knocking it out faster would make it more profitable but I also charge by the hour so I apologize. I was unclear.

What I meant to relate about my projects being "project based" was that I don't edit every day, as you might if you were in a busy editing shop. More often, lately, I'm not editing on them at all, just shooting, and so my editing suite is dormant, sometimes more than I would like if I needed to pay a subscription for editing software. It would be, in my mind, wasted. As if you paid for cable and didn't watch TV or Netflix and didn't avail yourself of their service.

For instance, I enjoy learning on Lynda.com but for the next few months I'll be too busy. So, I suspended my subscription. There is no additional cost to me to do that as their subscription is a flat monthly rate. Now if CC were offered that way at a reasonable clip it might be worth it. In fact, I'd be pleased if they had a more aggressive model that metered my use! Let the busy "pros" subsidize my meager subscription! But, unfortunately (again, for me) they have an annual subscription. They do offer ala carte and monthly services but I find those rates exorbitant and punitive, and perhaps intentionally perfunctory so to encourage the annual subscription.
 
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