T2i Should I sell my GH1 for the T2i??

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Polarjee

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For anybody with a canon T2i, I have some questions

  1. When you're filming, can you have full manual control?
  2. On my GH1, as soon as you start recording, any external monitors will shut off and the camera stops all output signals. Can the T2i record and preview video out at the same time??
And for anybody who's familiar with both the T2i and the GH1...

  1. Other then the articulating screen, the does the GH1 have any advantages over the T2i??
  2. How is 1600iso on the T2i compared to the GH1??
  3. How does the rolling shutter (jello) effect compare?
  4. I've had some issues with MUD with 1080p on the GH1. Does the T2i have anything similar???
Anyways, I've loved Canon my whole life so even though my GH1 has treated me well, I'll ditch it in a second for a good Canon.
 
Try to find and read first the review (7D vs GH1) written by Berry_Green ;)
I don' find the link right now but someone else could chime in.
 
CiPO said:
Try to find and read first the review (7D vs GH1) written by Berry_Green ;)
I don' find the link right now but someone else could chime in.
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I would point out that the OP is asking about the T2i which is a totally different camera...although yes it has many of the same problems.
 
Polarjee said:
For anybody with a canon T2i, I have some questions

  1. When you're filming, can you have full manual control?
  2. On my GH1, as soon as you start recording, any external monitors will shut off and the camera stops all output signals. Can the T2i record and preview video out at the same time??
And for anybody who's familiar with both the T2i and the GH1...

  1. Other then the articulating screen, the does the GH1 have any advantages over the T2i??
  2. How is 1600iso on the T2i compared to the GH1??
  3. How does the rolling shutter (jello) effect compare?
  4. I've had some issues with MUD with 1080p on the GH1. Does the T2i have anything similar???
Anyways, I've loved Canon my whole life so even though my GH1 has treated me well, I'll ditch it in a second for a good Canon.
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T2i
1. Yes
2. I don't really understand this. Preview on the camera LCD as well as an external monitor? If that is what you mean, then no. It's either the camera's LCD if no cable/external monitor is connected, or the external monitor while connected.

As far as the caparison between the two, I've never used a GH1, so I can't chime in on that.
 
http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/article.php/26

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=202739

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=199395

1. Yes to full manual control.
2. Yes, but it's an SD signal. However when a monitor is connected it shuts off the cameras screen during recording. Still better then nothing. Playback is at 1080.

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1. See the links posted.
2. Noisy at 1600, it comes down to taste and whether you find it good enough.
3. Comparable rolling shutter though I haven't seen a test where someone strapped a GH1 and T2i together to test. I'm just speaking from what I've seen on footage posted.
4. T2i has a very similar image to the 7D. Mud is not an issue.
 
Ahh, I see, thanks! That helps. Darn, I was hoping it could use a external monitor and the LCD. Is that just for when you're recording or does the LCD monitor shut off as soon as you connect the LCD??
And when you connect a external monitor, what cable do you connect it though? Is it possible to split it so it outputs to two external monitors??
 
Ben_B said:
I would point out that the OP is asking about the T2i which is a totally different camera...although yes it has many of the same problems.
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Yeah, sorry. My mistake .... just woke up and still few neurons connected :)
 
  1. When you're filming, can you have full manual control?
  2. On my GH1, as soon as you start recording, any external monitors will shut off and the camera stops all output signals. Can the T2i record and preview video out at the same time??
And for anybody who's familiar with both the T2i and the GH1...

  1. Other then the articulating screen, the does the GH1 have any advantages over the T2i??
  2. How is 1600iso on the T2i compared to the GH1??
  3. How does the rolling shutter (jello) effect compare?
  4. I've had some issues with MUD with 1080p on the GH1. Does the T2i have anything similar???
Anyways, I've loved Canon my whole life so even though my GH1 has treated me well, I'll ditch it in a second for a good Canon.[/QUOTE]

1. Yes.
2. Yes.

1. A high resolution electronic viewfinder. A nice kit lens. Greater support for a greater variety of lenses. Live histogram during video. Better built-in audio (not that that matters.) Smaller and lighter. General user experience more similar to video camera. No recording time limit. No overheating. Holds more footage on a card.

2. It will be cleaner than the GH1, but the GH1's ISO 1600 should be about as bright as the T2i's ISO 10,000. Panasonic measures ISO a weird way.

3. Probably about the same. The GH1 has almost no rolling shutter in 720/60p and not a huge amount as these cameras go in 1080p. I would say it is possible that it is slightly less on the GH1.

4. There should be no mud problem on the T2i as they have compensated for the weak codec by massively increasing the bitrate. However you pay for this with larger on-camera file-sizes, about 12 minutes for 4gb, instead of the GH1's 30-40 minutes. Additionally, the camera will, unrelated to this, stop recording after that 12 minute mark.

That article is probably worth reading, but here's sort of the way I look at it: on the Canon's the video is a hack, an afterthought. On the GH1, maybe by design, maybe simply by the nature of the m4/3 system, it feels more like it is meant to shoot video. That's why I like mine better than the Canons.

I think if you were considering replacing your GH1 with a 7D or a 5D it would really be worth looking into, but I think with a T2i just keep the GH1...unless you plan on shooting a lot of stills.
 
Here's two BIG ones for you that I don't think have been mentioned.

The GH1 has no mirror so you can put any lens you want on it whereas the canon's are limited by their flange distance. Great quality inexpensive FD lenses can be used, even PL mounts.

The canons don't have pulldown issues which make it much easier to get shooting gigs where you hand over the media at the end of the shoot and you're done.
 
Ben, thanks for all that info! Totally helps! One thing I'm still trying to figure out is this..
"GH1's ISO 1600 should be about as bright as the T2i's ISO 10,000. Panasonic measures ISO a weird way."
Where can I get information about this? I always thought all ISO is based off film. If that's true, wouldn't that mean it would take a TON of light to shoot with Canon's 100ISO??
 
Ben is exaggerating but it's true that Canon are a tad optimistic in their sensor ISO ratings and Panasonic are equally conservative. At least according to DXO Labs. They have measure tests showing that GH1 at 400 is nearly as sensitive as 7D at 800 - 591 vs 624 - this holds up pretty well through the range. They haven't done a test with the final T2i/550D yet but the pre-production model looked pretty similar to 7D. Click on ISO Sensitivity here:

http://dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Im...rand)/Panasonic/(brand2)/Canon/(brand3)/Canon
 
lol, seems like we already had this thread. Ben is in favor of his GH1 so while he does post some valid points remember that when reading. I would better like to hear/read from someone who has owned both cameras such as myself.


The GH1 is a more expensive camera out of the box. The way it records is heavily more compressed and is NO WHERE close to as good as the T2i in Low light = Fact.

Second the T2i does have the problem of overheating which the GH1 does not = Fact.

Because the GH1 is more compressed you are allowed to fit more information on a card which is a big plus, the T2i only allows about 40+ mins per 16gb and only lets you record about 11 1/2 minutes per take = Fact.


Turning the Camera off (T2i) even for a couple of minutes cools the camera down and you are ready to shoot = Fact.



I completely 100% disagree with Ben where he says the Canon T2i video features is an after thought, that is completely false = Fact.
Any camera that allows me to Control Iso, Aperture, Shutter Speed while recording is a video camera. For people that have shot on film know that you cannot record audio onto film stock and film stock itself runs out very fast anyways compared to the 11+ minute record time frame of the T2i.


Owning and using both cameras I would say they are both very good. That extra step to remove pull down for the Gh1 was the straw that broke the camels back for me though. So many people still say that you can use any lens with the Gh1 and count out the T2i.


Do you have ANY idea how many EFS and EF lenses they are? You would literally never own or probably use them all so this whole talk about lenses to me is mute.


In the end go to a camera rental place and see if you can get a hold of the T2i or even 7D, if you like what you see then you know. One thing I will say is if you are using your Gh1 and are happy then keep shooting.
 
I couldn't believe how bad GH1 felt after using GF1 for a month long documentary shoot.
T2i might feel cheap when compared to 7D or 5D but GH1 felt much worse than T2i/550D. Made in Japan VS China. The articulating screen is what I do miss but everithing else is better on the T2i. Oh, and the lenses on M43 are better suited for video shooting, specially the 14-140mm one but only outdoors and if you intend to use AF. MF on these lenses is all electronic thus not repeatable so you can not hit the mark twice.

We alost started manufacturing a special LCDVF version for GH1 but after testing the GH1 it felt like a cheap toy even when compared to a T2i/550D. (GF1 feels like a Leica after that)

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You probably want to think about the lenses you already have, too, Gene. I know you used some FDs to shoot "The Shell Game," but I don't know if those will work properly (infinity focus, etc.) on the T2i - anyone know?
 
Tom Shortridge said:
So does that mean the FDs won't work on the T2i?
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Without optics, the FD's won't work on the canons. There's only one adapter made that has good optics, and it was like $1000 new and is very hard to find now. Plus, it increases the crop factor. Yuck. I got a cheap ebay one and it was good for a laugh, but unusable except at f8 or higher, and even then I didn't like it. If you're buying manual lenses for cinema purposes, the Nikons are the way to go IMO, because they'll work with just about anything.
 
Yeah, I guess not being able to use my FD lenses are a bummer but I really only have one lens I really like which was the 50mm 1.4. I guess I'll just have to sell that off and get a 1.8 50mm FD.
However, I do have access to some high end EF lenses so I'm not too worried.
And I can't wait to shoot wide shots again! To me, it seems like the 1.6x is actually a surprisingly big difference from the 2x crop factor.
I may end up keeping both... having multicamera shoots would save some time....
 
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