GH5 Shooting video with still settings

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Pauldalex

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Hi all

I am an hobbyist that started about 60 years ago with the nice 8 mm Canon Reflex Zoom 8.3
Since then I made some studies about cinema. The trend of the times was to recommend not to touch the camera once you hit the record button. Don't zoom don't pan don't touch settings. You will just get worse images and will produce disconfort in the viewer (and I should say that as a viewer I hate to see zooming and panning, that are a constant nowadays)

I keep the same habits today

More recently with my Sony RX10II I always shot video with the mode at M. (And always manual focus)
All went well. I never used the Cine mode. I never really understood what is the use of it!

Now regarding the GH5 I feel again very stupid, because I don't understand what the Creative video mode is for.

I have this question: If with the camera at M and the video setting set to my liking (I am interested to 4k all intra 24p) I hit the record button what would go wrong? Will the camera work normally as my RX10II did?

Is perhaps the Creative video a mode aimed at those that like to change this and that during recording?

Am I so stupid that I miss what is the point of video mode completely?

Thanks in advance to all who will care to illuminate me

Cheers

Paul
 
Essentially video mode and stills mode are totally separate with separate controls. Whatever the stills settings are if you press the video record button it will use the settings saved for video NOT the ones you just set for stills. Example if the creative mode video settings are P but you are in full manual for stills and then press the video record button the camera will switch to P mode and run in auto. On the Lumix YouTube channel there are lots of videos explaining the camera and worth a while to go through all those. If you want to shoot video turn the dial to Createive VIdeo mode. Then all the setting are in the menus and you can set things up just the way you want to and then save to one of the modes on the dial ( C1, C2 ,C3 etc )
 
The point of the Creative Video Mode is to transform the camera into more of a cinema type camera when the mode is engaged. Different image settings, different things shown on the display, different options etc... It is recommended to use this mode when shooting video because the camera was designed to accommodate video shooters. You can select to stay in full manual inside CVM so your operation style will remain constant.

For example, in stills mode you might be shooting in RAW but in video mode you might be shooting in V-Log. You might have different auto focus usage between stills and video etc... Think of the dial change as the same change you have to make in your head from being a stills shooter to a video/cine shooter.
 
I should add to my first post the importance of being in the correct mode dial position for what you want to do. The Creative Video mode position is for video. IF you want to shoot video this is the position you should be in on the dial for the following reason. Say in the menu for video you have set it to be P mode. Then if you are in stills mode and press the video record button the camera will switch to P mode and none of the controls will function for you !!! The camera is in auto now for video. If you want to control the camera in full manual you need to be in Creative Video mode on the dial AND you set M in the menu for video. Then all the controls will work for you like being in manual for stills. If you are mainly a still shooter and occasionally want to shoot video then leaving the video mode in P may make a lot of sense. Take you stills shots and when you press the video record button the camera will shoot in auto like a point and shoot video camera. Exposure compensation will still work but not the other controls so you can make the image brighter or darker to taste.
 
Just to be clear, the GH5 records video in full auto mode for any position of PASM on the dial. Only in the video M (creative video mode) on the dial will it allow you to select PASM shown in the upper left corner of the touch screen. Only there can you actually select PASM for recording video. Don't worry, this is an issue for many of us who are older school. It took me learning the hard way a few times with my older GH4 to finally figure out why in M on the dial I kept using giant ISO numbers when I had much a much lower setting of 400 or 800 selected.

Cheers,
Pete
 
Excellent!
The modes are separated! This is the crucial point! Now I see the very clearly the way they designed the camera. In a way it is like to have two separate cameras one for still and one for video. The two cameras don't mix.
This should be written in capital letters at page zero of the manual!!!
Thank you all for your help. A special thank to you Pete for your comprehension!
Cheers
Paul
 
One addition:

In Creative video mode the Panasonic cameras stops showing automatic exposure values (exposure values are visible only inl photo modes PASM). The camera is not broken, it just wont show what it is doing. You can not see what aperture the camera is using in S-mode, what is the shutter speed in A-mode and in P-mode you cant see anything. Auto iso is also hidden.

The only way to see exposure values is to shoot video with 4k/6k photo or use the remote phone app. Weird.
 
Yes I find that annoying too. Even in auto I like to know what the camera is doing coming from Sony camcorders that show this, I think even the Panasonic's !!! As a wish list I would like it to be like the Sony's with a little A in front if the camera is in control and just the value for manual control as well as an indication of exposure compensation value ( which it does show in some way now ). I mainly run in shutter priority so this is where I find it so different from the Sony camcorders I have running alongside.

EDIT: The app shows iris and shutter speed and just AUTO gain which I would like to know the value. Some other differences between the GH5 and GH5S in using the app. I use them on a tripod unattended so controlled by the app. For the GH5 I can move the focus box and it will focus and show me green outline when in focus. With the GH5S I do the same thing and have to press the AF button to get it to focus and show the green confirmation line around the box !!! At least with the current app the peaking is now there when record is pressed as on the first version it showed peaking in preview then disappeared when in record.
 
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Thank you Vesku and Evans
That's too bad! I also come from Sony and it seems to me that the Sony way is more intuitive.
Because I am scared to have wrong setting when I will be on location I have few more questions
So I have put the camera in VideoM and all M. Now can I trust what I see on the screen in terms of shutter speed aperture and ISO? In particular if I see the ISO (say 200) am I safe that the dreaded auto ISO won't take over?
Also since I will be in bright light, what is the native or else what is the ISO for best IQ?
Finally there is another thing I don't understand. In the old days of film only the most sophisticated cameras (well in say 8 or super 8) had a settable shutter angle that allowed to have faster shutter speed and avoid blur. Now since I can regulate directly the shutter speed, what is the point of shutter angle in the setting? How shutter speed and angle interact?
Regards to you all
 
I too like the way Sony display the information and hope that in the future Panasonic will do the same as the information is there just not displayed in video mode. Shutter angle is a way of always getting the same relationship to frame rate whenever you change the frame rate. So 180 is always 1/twice the frame rate. So at 30P 180 angle is 1/60 shutter. If you change to 60 it will 1/120 etc. Though if you are really shooting at 60P there is no need to really follow this approach as the image is fine at 1/60 which is how I shoot all the time in the theatre. Gives me a little more light. I think the reason this started was a way of ensuring that at 24fps for film the image was not too sharp and exaggerate the judder of the slow frame rate.
 
Thank you Ron

That was my understanding.
But I like to stay at 24. So I wonder if I set a certain shutter speed (greater than say 50) this should override the angle. Right?

Oh well I made my first test clip and it looks like that exposition changes with shutter speed. Some learning by doing will be indispensable.
I still have the feeling that they made things more difficult and confused than needed
 
Exposure is governed by three things. ISO( gain for video people ), iris and shutter speed. The other thing that can be hidden for the GH5 is the ISO control as there is no LCD indication of its value or whether its in auto, very annoying. Make sure you know what mode this is in. If in auto ISO you can play all you want with shutter speed and iris/aperture but the image will stay much the same as the camera will manage gain/iso to keep the same !!!! You can set shutter speed to control image blur, iris for depth of field, ISO auto and then use exposure compensation to get the brightness/darkness you want in the image. Or set an absolute value for ISO and then the image exposure will be fixed. This is much like using AE shift on a Sony.
 
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