settings for a 30p wedding

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Hi, I've got my first wedding next weekend and after reading all the wedding related posts, I'm going to do it in 30p.
What do all you 30p wedding guys have for the settings? I'm just filming the reception so it will be a very brightly lit room. I was just going to set the f3 dial to 30p and use that.
Any suggestions for tweaking it?
I'm about to hook the cam up to dv rack and test some different settings....
 
Because all pans and zooms and rapid movemebts will look jittery. People don't like that kind of stuff, definitely not on a wedding. A wedding is something completely out of your control, you can't tell people how and when to move. Have you shot progressive before?
 
I agree that generally speaking, events that are supposed to look "live" look best shot with interlaced video. I highly doubt people would notice any problems - but you gain some extra low light sensitivity with the DVX in 60i as well - so that gives another reason to shoot interlaced.

People definitely won't complain if the video is in 60i - but they MAY complain if its in progressive. The most important elements in keeping people happy with regards to wedding videography is to get the coverage you need, and keep the camera movements as smooth as possible. As long as they can see Uncle Joe in the frame, that's all they really want. And he's easier to see in a handheld shot when it's in 60i, too.
 
I've shot over 30 weddings with my DVX, all in 24p mode. I only use 60i if the lighting is too low, and have NEVER had a customer complain. Infact, I initially got a lot of work because of the 24p, which gave me a visible difference from my competitors.

You got the DVX for its 24p capability. Use it, nothing looks better!

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com
 
To clarify things, I have shot a couple of live events in progressive and I do understand the potential problems with pans, etc. Customers that have seen the footage love the colours.
I am only filming the reception, which will be in a very brightly-lit room. It's a Japanese reception so it is all carefully scripted. I have a second cameraman too.
What I would like to know, is how do YOU tweak the user file settings for 30p. I am going to do some test shots on wednesday and it would save me some time if somebody told me for example ' I have the matrix set to fluo and i use cine-like v which makes the bride more beautiful'
I do realize that most of the settings depend on what look you what to achieve, but some pointers would be nice.

jchenier, what are your settings with 24p? (only for the bright receptions)

thanks guys
 
For a brightly lit reception, I shoot with the default setting on F6. I do a manual white balance, and manually adjust the iris, but my setup is just the default F6. I've tried tweeking with it, but always come back to the default.

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com
 
Thanks - just what I wanted to hear. I'm going to try the f6 settings at 30p, see how that looks. I want to try 30p to be able to slow it down a little if I need to. but maybe I'll just stick with 24pa. I'll see how the tests go.
 
What are you editing the footage on? If you're using Premiere Pro 1.5, you might want to shot F6 in 24pa, since you can take advantage of Premiere Pro's ability to remove pulldown and edit in actual 24pa.

Justin
www.beyondtimemedia.com
 
Man you guys now have me officially confused. I plan to shoot my sister's wedding in July and just about had myself convinved that 30p or 60i would be best (though I hated forgoing the 24p). But Jchenier, you put up a convincing argument. Let me ask you, you have any problems slowing the footage down in post or is it going to be jerky?

Rick
 
if you use Final Cut, you can shoot in 24p, 30p, and 60i and mix them all together in the edit. The magic is Film Effects on the 60i footage..click through the Nattress banner on this site. there are settings in the filters to simulate different frame rates. an essential tool, well priced, too.
 
I just did some test shots in the hall where the reception will be. I will be going with 30p as you can bring it down to 80% (for the newlyweds entrance,etc). It doesn't look like video and it's a bit more forgiving than 24p. Just remember to open the iris more for progressive.
 
I have used 24p in almost all events/weddings that i cover. normally, you don't have much control to these events so fast panning is sometimes inevitable to capture important moments. these panning happens at the same time an announcement is being made. what i do in post is cut the annoying panning video (not the audio) and slow mo the "important moment" and stretch it just enough to cover the entire "priceless moment".
I like 24p for it's color rendition compared to 60i. and also i had clients who wants a printout of frame grabs from the event. progressive frame grab is of course much better to print that interlace.
 
Pooh said:
if you use Final Cut, you can shoot in 24p, 30p, and 60i and mix them all together in the edit. The magic is Film Effects on the 60i footage..click through the Nattress banner on this site. there are settings in the filters to simulate different frame rates. an essential tool, well priced, too.
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Pooh, I have Premiere Pro 1.5. Can I mix them all together in PPro 1.5?
 
Since you are shooting just the reception and you seem to know the 'script' you can probably predict movement and other things so you won't be caught off guard. So you can plan shots so 30p will probably be fine. When I shoot weddings I'll shoot 30p or 24p (custom preset on f4 and f5) and have a custom preset on f6 at 60i. The reason for this set-up is to be able to switch to 60i quickly just in case I need to catch footage that will need to be slowed down later in post. Slowing down 24p or 30p footage looks more jittery than slowing down 60i. My 2nd camera person shoots on a XL1s so I have him shoot in 60i and use the Nattress filters to turn it into 24p or 30p. Unless we both agree to shoot only at 30p (which the XL1s does amazingly) we usually shoot DVX 24p/30p and XL1s 60i. This offers flexibility. I just try to catch the cleanest image possible and tweak it later. Fortunately we haven't had to shoot a poorly lit situation yet thus haven't had to use on-camera lights, which I would have to do. It just looks lame.
 
ian lucero said:
My 2nd camera person shoots on a XL1s so I have him shoot in 60i and use the Nattress filters to turn it into 24p or 30p.
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Can I purchase the Nattress filters for Ppro 1.5 or is there a similar plug in for Ppro1.5 that will offer me the same flexibility in post?
 
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