Jim Ritscher
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What is the little black box behind the focus tape hook?
Sell FS700 for a FS7?
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dmitrizigany
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This is a guess:
I think it's an optional wireless thingy.
FrameFarmMedia
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Yes that is what it appears to be. Seems weird they couldn't just build it in instead of having a wart on the body that could get damaged.
Mitch Gross
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Can't say I much agree with the assessment here, but to each his own. I found it ridiculously easy to handhold this camera. It weighs very little and when the accessory back is on it balances very, very well. I shot with the F900, Aatons and BL4s in my day so I guess I have a different measure of weight and balance for the shoulder, but I would have no problem with this camera on my shoulder.
The wide end of that lens is a 28mm. A 28 is a 28 is a 28. It will give the same field of view on the FS7 as any other 28mm. I don't see the point of comparing it to the field of view in full frame 35, because you are talking about mounting it on a S35 sensor camera. Most people I know shooting on the FS700 are using adapters for stills lenses anyway, and all of those lenses are built to cover full frame. Same difference.
The FS7 top handle, viewfinder and handgrip arm are all easily removed, making for a pretty small package when rigging. It is a little taller than the FS700, but not by much. Using it in a gimbal in "flipped" mode should be no problem.
That little dongle in the USB slot is a wireless network adapter, letting the camera stream live video n 1080p. It is an accessory that works on several Sony cameras.
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I'm not trying to be an FS7 apologist or anything, just trying to add perspective. I don't have a horse in this race (y'all can use an Odyssey7Q on either one). But I do feel that Sony really tried to listen to user input here with this design. It won't suite everyone, but no camera design ever will.
The wide end of that lens is a 28mm. A 28 is a 28 is a 28. It will give the same field of view on the FS7 as any other 28mm. I don't see the point of comparing it to the field of view in full frame 35, because you are talking about mounting it on a S35 sensor camera. Most people I know shooting on the FS700 are using adapters for stills lenses anyway, and all of those lenses are built to cover full frame. Same difference.
The FS7 top handle, viewfinder and handgrip arm are all easily removed, making for a pretty small package when rigging. It is a little taller than the FS700, but not by much. Using it in a gimbal in "flipped" mode should be no problem.
That little dongle in the USB slot is a wireless network adapter, letting the camera stream live video n 1080p. It is an accessory that works on several Sony cameras.
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I'm not trying to be an FS7 apologist or anything, just trying to add perspective. I don't have a horse in this race (y'all can use an Odyssey7Q on either one). But I do feel that Sony really tried to listen to user input here with this design. It won't suite everyone, but no camera design ever will.
llirik
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Everything extended (arm, evf), I had to jut my elbow out just to hold it... I am tall tho, so perhaps thats why.
28mm e-mount for aps-c is different than 28mm FE. This is an FE lens (double checked on bhphoto). You can use a speed booster on e-mount to get back to a closer equivalence... but you won't with this lens. It's not thought out.[/quote]
We tried on the Ronin. No luck. Body is too heavy and tall for good lenses. With the XL arm it'll probably work, but the clearance above (with handle removed) is very small that the ronin handle hits.
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I was told that this is for EU wireless requirements. If you they had built-in, it would change how the camera is classified.
stevenblatter
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I saw the FS7 records non-stop 150fps in 50p but is that 300fps in 25p? Or for NTSC, does 180fps @ 60p become 360fps @ 30p?
Because I use a lot my FS700 in 25p at 200fps & 400fps and I think it would a big miss if the FS7 only does 150fps internally!
Steven
Because I use a lot my FS700 in 25p at 200fps & 400fps and I think it would a big miss if the FS7 only does 150fps internally!
Steven
Clermond
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150fps is 150 frames per second
50p means 50 frames per second (progressive)
a one second recording of 150pfs will get strechted to a three second slomo in a 50p timeline
and it will get strechted to a six second slomo in a 25p timeline.
as far is I know the s&q is maximum 180fps at the FS7. Compared to the 204fps of the FS700 it's a little less but the FS7 records continuously
150fps is 150 frames per second
50p means 50 frames per second (progressive)
a one second recording of 150pfs will get strechted to a three second slomo in a 50p timeline
and it will get strechted to a six second slomo in a 25p timeline.
as far is I know the s&q is maximum 180fps at the FS7. Compared to the 204fps of the FS700 it's a little less but the FS7 records continuously
stevenblatter
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Ok thanks! As I only work in 25p timelines it means I will be able to have 300fps in 25p from the FS7 when "converted".
So if I want 200fps slow-motion in a 25p timeline (like I have with my Fs700 when I record 200fps @ 25p) I'll have to shoot 100fps @ 50p?
So if I want 200fps slow-motion in a 25p timeline (like I have with my Fs700 when I record 200fps @ 25p) I'll have to shoot 100fps @ 50p?
Clermond
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no.
you don't shoot 100pfs at 50p. You shoot 50 / 100 / 200 what ever frames per second. Period.
How fast or slow it will be played depends firstly on your shooting and secondly on the playback frame rate.
seems you are missing some basics ;-) it's simple math!
stevenblatter
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Ok thanks for your help in understanding this issue on the FS7 
! So I think I will keep my FS700 as I often shoot 200fps and 400fps and I got used to the 10sec burst.
! So I think I will keep my FS700 as I often shoot 200fps and 400fps and I got used to the 10sec burst.dmitrizigany
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It's not an issue with the FS7 it's how all cameras work. If it's easier you could think of it as 25fps, 50fps, 150fps or 200fps. Or 25p, 50p, 150p or 200p. The number is alway how many frames per second you shoot. The rest is math and how you spread those frames on your timeline. Same thing with the FS700.Ok thanks for your help in understanding this issue on the FS7
I would much rather have the 150fps continuos of the FS7 than the 200fps burst of the FS700.
Have actually not shot much slow motion at all since I got my FS700 so maybe it doesn't matter so much. But find the burst mode a bit chunky to work with.
This might be a pain in the butt for you guys, but is there a reason why you can't flip it into NTSC mode and shoot 180fps non-stop on the FS7, then put that into your 25p timeline? Then you're almost getting your 200fps but without the burst limitation.
dmitrizigany
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I think that maybe the SD cards need to be reformatted if changing to NTSC. At least on then A7s. Cant remember on the FS700. And no idea how the FS7 work in that regard.
I think you're right... still, could be worth having a "slomo" card and a standard card! Haha. That is, if you want the ergonomics of the FS7 and don't want the size and weight of the Odyssey7Q. At least it's an option to go up to 180fps.
dmitrizigany
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I'm not getting the FS7 but if I could, I think 150 would be plenty for me. I very rarely end up using slow motion at all 
I use 200fps fairly frequently. But I find having the burst mode focusses the mind on precisely what I want to capture. Not only that, but I don't waste much space on the SD card. I imagine if I could record continuously at 150fps+ I'd be running it for much longer periods and using up much more storage space, not to mention on more expensive cards.
The improvement in technology on the FS7 is still welcome, but the FS700 is certainly not dead.
The improvement in technology on the FS7 is still welcome, but the FS700 is certainly not dead.
The problem with FS700 is that you have to chose your moment wisely and sometimes it's just not possible. You shoot something and second later there's even better moment - you got dilemma: should I stop buffering and hope it'll be ready for this moment or just leave it? I hope with continuous slow motion it will be fast switchable so you film in normal speed then BAM slow motion, then back again to normal speed. Wondering if they'll leave buffer? I'm not kind of sure how that would work though.
But then, still: 240fps is something special.
But then, still: 240fps is something special.
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Ebrahim Saadawi
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It's really simple, the only thing the FS7 has over the FS700 is the internal 4k and shouler mount, if you want/need these, then sure upgrade, if you don't, the FS700 with the 7Q does everything tge FS7 does.
nyvz
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Well that may not be true. FS7 has continuous high speed at reasonable bitrates, 4K at 100Mbps for longer form recording, custom recording LUTs (unclear if 7Q is getting this), easy access to recording functions as opposed to having to do some things on the camera and other things on the touchscreen. It's also not clear what what frame rates the 7Q will support Prores for beyond 60fps. Also it's unclear if switching framerates and recording modes on the 7Q will be as easy as a single button press like it will be on the FS7.