SDXC cards

Jan_Crittenden said:
2 things, the price of SDHC cards have routinely come down as they become more entrnched in the market place. Since the 32GB card for all intents and purposes has just started to deliver we should see this card come down in price. We are now looking at the third year of the 4GB card and they are very cheap. While I cannot speak for the memory you have chosen as your example, the SDHC examples seem to offering a pattern.

On the second note. I would assume that you have been in touch with the rebate folks and they have indeed identified you on the list? If you have not done this I suggest that you do. 1-901-346-9941. Verify that you are just waiting. We have indeed have had some delivery problems, and then add to that the fact that all claims do not come in complete and there is the inevitable waiting for paper to exchange. It isn't pretty. All I can say is that I am cured. I will never do another rebate. Sorry for your wait, if you are on the list it shouldn't be too much longer.

Best regards,

Jan
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OK, Thanks. No I did not know their number. I will give them a call. (Next timne, just include the "rebate" in the box. Problem solved, lol.)

As for the SDXC debate. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. :)
 
I was in a major retailer today asking about SDHC card pricing. I like to know that in a crunch a I can grab a Panny/Sandisk Extreme, etc and thus like to know current pricing.

They told me that a LOT of SDHC lines were being dumped in favor of the new SDXC cards.

So.. needing more than 3 hours of recording time on my camera is definitely not the issue. Since all these consumer cams are now coming out with 1080-60P modes requiring high storage volumes... It might just be I won't be ABLE to get a 32gb or lower SDHC card in the not so far future.

Seems consumer cams are driving the bus now, not like the old days where pro cams were in the driver seat.
 
Note for the interested:

I checked my local retailers for sd cards a few weeks ago. Not Costco, Best Buy or Walmart had any, not any, class 6 or better cards in stock. Best Buy did have class 4 at some really inflated prices. So the idea of being able to buy cheap local memory went out my window. Your mileage may very.

Grant
 
Let's see, I went to Best Buy and bought four Class 10 SDHC cards, just a couple of weeks ago with no issue. And as far as the SDHC card going anywhere, this is highly doubtful. Heck the first SDXC card Best,

Jan
 
All I'm saying is Panasonic better have plans for a firmware update if SDHC cards become even close to obsolete or my next pro camera will be a sony. And I hate sony.
 
Hi,

I am sorry, but from what the engineers have told me, this is not possible. I know it sounds simple but it is not.

Best regards,

jan
 
Hi Grant, So the good news is that you can use the class 4 cards with the cameras. Or you can get online which is what I normally do but the need came up too quickly for me to do that. On line I have gotten an over night shipment from the larger resellers.

Best,

Jan
 
Guys, keep in mind that there are about seven trillion SD devices out on the market right now. Pretty much every consumer still camera in existence uses SD or SDHC. It would certainly seem a safe bet to say that there will be some pretty strong demand for SDHC for several years.
 
If you need to shoot 5+ hours continuous of something, can't beat the DVX100a for that. Connect a cheapo MiniDV camcorder to it via firewire, set the camera to the chain setting, and you can shoot continuously until you wear the heads out. Shoot in squeeze mode, uprez, and you're good to go! :)
 
Well, I suppose we will be reformatting SDXC cards as Fat32 in order for these cams to have media in the future.

Jan, no offence, but I have a hard time seeing how it can be an engineering issue when SDXC is a filesystem. My SDHC readers on my win7 system are now magically SDXC readers all via a small update from Microsoft.


My main concerns are: Availability and the ability to use cards that you have purchased for newer cameras so you aren't in the middle of a shoot sorting out what is and is not an SDHC/SDXC card.
 
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Denwa said:
My SDHC readers on my win7 system are now magically SDXC readers all via a small update from Microsoft.
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Have you actually read an SDXC card on an SDHC reader, through using some software update? Do you have SDXC cards to test that with? I haven't, but this just doesn't sound right. There are more differences than just a file system.

EDIT: Denwa, I just don't think you're right on this. A little Wikipedia surfing shows that SDXC has limited compatibility with SDHC readers. An SDHC reader can only access SDXC cards that use the slower UHS104 speeds, but SDHC readers/devices are *incompatible* with SDXC cards which use the faster SD 4.0 spec.

Look at this page, from the SD Card association:
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc/using_sdxc

In the graphic, you can flat-out see that they're saying that SDXC cards are *only* compatible with SDXC devices. That arrow only goes to one area on the chart, and that's to the SDXC-compatible device. And they say on it, "look for the SDXC logo."

They also say:
SDXC memory cards can be used only with SDXC host products
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It also says:
Contact your PC manufacturer to confirm the SD slot on your PC is compatible with SDXC cards and for availability of the SDXC driver
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Sounds to me like there may be some limited compatibility, but definitely not across-the-board compatibility, and just because you download a firmware update that doesn't "magically" make your older SDHC slot become an SDXC slot. The firmware update adds support for the SDXC card's file system, but that doesn't change the hardware to make it able to read SDXC cards, at least as far as SD 4.0 cards goes.

In fact, now I'm wondering if there's any compatibility at all between an SD-only slot on a PC, and SDXC cards. If the slot is made to support the SDXC hardware, then you'd need the firmware update to download to add the file system so that Windows 7 could read it. That doesn't mean that an old card slot is "magically" becoming SDXC, it means that an SDXC-compatible slot, which previously wouldn't work with SDXC cards, now can work with them because file system support is now added.

Note also that for USB readers, it specifically says "SDXC-compatible readers. Installing a firmware update won't make your existing SDHC USB readers work for SDXC cards. It only applies to a direct on the computer slot.

My new laptop has such a slot, so if I had an SDXC card I'd try it...
 
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Barry_Green said:
Have you actually read an SDXC card on an SDHC reader, through using some software update? Do you have SDXC cards to test that with? I haven't, but this just doesn't sound right. There are more differences than just a file system.

EDIT: Denwa, I just don't think you're right on this. A little Wikipedia surfing shows that SDXC has limited compatibility with SDHC readers. An SDHC reader can only access SDXC cards that use the slower UHS104 speeds, but SDHC readers/devices are *incompatible* with SDXC cards which use the faster SD 4.0 spec.

Look at this page, from the SD Card association:
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc/using_sdxc

In the graphic, you can flat-out see that they're saying that SDXC cards are *only* compatible with SDXC devices. That arrow only goes to one area on the chart, and that's to the SDXC-compatible device. And they say on it, "look for the SDXC logo."

They also say:


It also says:


Sounds to me like there may be some limited compatibility, but definitely not across-the-board compatibility, and just because you download a firmware update that doesn't "magically" make your older SDHC slot become an SDXC slot. The firmware update adds support for the SDXC card's file system, but that doesn't change the hardware to make it able to read SDXC cards, at least as far as SD 4.0 cards goes.

In fact, now I'm wondering if there's any compatibility at all between an SD-only slot on a PC, and SDXC cards. If the slot is made to support the SDXC hardware, then you'd need the firmware update to download to add the file system so that Windows 7 could read it. That doesn't mean that an old card slot is "magically" becoming SDXC, it means that an SDXC-compatible slot, which previously wouldn't work with SDXC cards, now can work with them because file system support is now added.

Note also that for USB readers, it specifically says "SDXC-compatible readers. Installing a firmware update won't make your existing SDHC USB readers work for SDXC cards. It only applies to a direct on the computer slot.

My new laptop has such a slot, so if I had an SDXC card I'd try it...
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Barry, I even found reference to what I was saying on Panasonic's own website. I'll have to find that info again.
 
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