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Seems somewhat clear to me, but do what you want! The first guideline states:

* Use a DVX100 or HVX200, shoot 24p and 16x9 (either squeeze or letterbox)

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overlandfilms said:
Seems somewhat clear to me, but do what you want! The first guideline states:

* Use a DVX100 or HVX200, shoot 24p and 16x9 (either squeeze or letterbox)

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... and says nothing about matting ... says SHOOT...

So no; it's not overly clear IMHO.

Depends on if this is an aesthetic/artistic restriction for uniformity or a technical one regarding the DVD workflow.

If its technical then Mattin and Disjecta are right - doesn't matter what you put in the 16X9 frame.

If its aesthetic then fine - we all shoot sixteen by nine and I have 10% less fun, and none of the 3 winners of Fall's films would have looked exactly like they did and the makers wouldn't have had the creative choice to go for the framing they felt best if such a rule had been in place for Zombiefest. Not saying those films won just because they were cinescope, there's a lot more to Disjecta's magic than that, but why you would want to shackle filmmakers creativity for no technical or logistical reason is beyond me. Just seems ridiculous.

I did one festival where everybody had to shoot 4:3! Now you could letterbox to your hearts desire within that 4:3, they just didn't want to have to change the projector settings each time.

But you may have a point, one hand it could be an artistic restriction for aesthetic uniformity because if he has anamorphic and letterbox - wouldn't that mean he's going to have to crop the letterbox anyway?

but all of this is completely, completely pointless until Barry is on again.
 
jdanstan said:
That's what I thought; that waltlind is just trying to get our goat that naughty naught boy!
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Who me? :engel017:

Thought I could have a little fun :evil:


jdanstan said:
EDIT: It's be hillarious if someone was as hellbent on shooting 4:3 as we are on 2.35:1 and shot 16:9 and then pillarboxed to 4:3 (and not just for a single effect like you did) lol!
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I'd get a kick out of that one. :grin:
 
Hey.. nice banner Mattin.

Anyways, 2:35 cropped in a 16:9 is fine by me, personally i think it looks better.

You can send me either a 16:9 clip in 4:3 format with bars, or you can send me an anamorphic 16:9. It doesnt matter, I batch render them anyways, the only difference is if you send me an anamorphic its gonna look better, cause im not gonna be zooming in on your image to get the 16:9. The DVD is 16:9 24p anamorphic widescreen.
 
Jarred Land said:
Hey.. nice banner Mattin.

Anyways, 2:35 cropped in a 16:9 is fine by me, personally i think it looks better.

You can send me either a 16:9 clip in 4:3 format with bars, or you can send me an anamorphic 16:9. It doesnt matter, I batch render them anyways, the only difference is if you send me an anamorphic its gonna look better, cause im not gonna be zooming in on your image to get the 16:9. The DVD is 16:9 24p anamorphic widescreen.
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DAS WHA I SAYIN, YO !
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You all will be happy ..NO MORE 4.3 this time . My camera is set to LETTERBOX / THIN mode.
I have the first 2 minutes of a story , just need 4 more ..lol ...
This is going to be more fun than the Zombie shorts ...Ian
 
CRAP!!

I was doin some test shots i made combining it with some ghetto CG models I made and my computer crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHH!!

damn it!!!....now no CGI for my movie!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:...or for that matter...a movie!!

....now i gatta re write my freakin story to something tottallly different because it depended on a lot of CGI...FEEEEK!!
 
blckhawk542 said:
CRAP!!

I was doin some test shots i made combining it with some ghetto CG models I made and my computer crashed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AHH!!

damn it!!!....now no CGI for my movie!!! :cry: :cry: :cry:...or for that matter...a movie!!

....now i gatta re write my freakin story to something tottallly different because it depended on a lot of CGI...FEEEEK!!
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don't cry dude, you gots like tree monfs, no whad I sayin!
 
arielman said:
You all will be happy ..NO MORE 4.3 this time . My camera is set to LETTERBOX / THIN mode.
I have the first 2 minutes of a story , just need 4 more ..lol ...
This is going to be more fun than the Zombie shorts ...Ian
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Ian, just be careful that if you're shooting letterbox to have it framed really well, because you're committed. Also, if you do any color correction, you'll be coloring the black bars on the top & bottom as well ... same goes if you use flash FX, etc.

I'd suggest you shoot 4:3, the either do a 16x9 mask (or 2.35:1, etc.), or render your 4:3 out to a 16x9 file. Eitherway, when you're shooting 4:3, you'll have some room to move up/down in post if needed to correct your framing, etc. At least, that's what I'll be doing, and I know a lot of the experienced pros on here still do it that way as well.
 
Thanks Norm for the tip .
I have Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus and I can convert my 4.3 to 16.9 BUT everybody will be fat looking . I have watched a test version on TV using the DVD player , I can switch the DVD player to 4.3 mode and it will fill the screen , not much options here. Studio offers no program for cropping or masking . I can film in Squeeze but I also understand this also will make everyone look fat when played back on a 4.3 T.V.
Unless Santa is nice and brings me Vegas 6 or Adobe 1.5 , I'm kind of stuck with my Studio for now ......I'll try a test in letterbox (colour correction) and see what happens.... Ian
 
Try this, Ian, if it'll let you. Render out to an uncompressed AVI file, then on the new rendered AVI file, simply put a CROP over the 4:3 footage. At least that way, you'll have CLEAN pure black bars at top & bottom.

Does Pinnacle Studio 9 even handle 24P footage? Just curious, as that's what we have to shoot in for the competition/fest.
 
Studio will work with 24Pn no problem , 24Pa is a no go though.
It'll make AVI files OK ..so I''ll play and see what I can do ..
Meanwhile I'm waiting to see what the new Studio 10 will do , supposed to be new ground up ..........Ian
 
arielman said:
Thanks Norm for the tip .
I have Pinnacle Studio 9 Plus and I can convert my 4.3 to 16.9 BUT everybody will be fat looking . I have watched a test version on TV using the DVD player , I can switch the DVD player to 4.3 mode and it will fill the screen , not much options here. Studio offers no program for cropping or masking . I can film in Squeeze but I also understand this also will make everyone look fat when played back on a 4.3 T.V.
Unless Santa is nice and brings me Vegas 6 or Adobe 1.5 , I'm kind of stuck with my Studio for now ......I'll try a test in letterbox (colour correction) and see what happens.... Ian
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Dude everyone will look fat looking if you just drag 4:3 into a 16:9 timeline or just try to output it that way -- you can't do it.

To edit on a true 16X9 timeline you have to shoot with the anamorphic adaptpor or in squeeze, both of which make everyone look squished so you that when you import it as 16X9 anamnorphic and drag it into a timeline with those settings, the squished people now look normal, because they started out squished looking.

If you can't crop or mask then shoot squeeze -- it will loolk exactly right when played on a 4:3 TV through any decent DVD player. Why? ... well those black bars you see at the top and bottom of Galdiator when you rent if from Blockbuster DO NOT EXIST... That DVD is squeezed, just like squeeze mode or the anamorphic adaptor, but the DVD player knows to shrink it down right to look correct on a 4:3 screen. That's why you get the black bars, because it shrunk it down enough to fit the sides on the screen, so the top and bottom no longer touch the edges and there are voids there -- the black bars.

Now if you have a 4:3 TV like most of the US, you've never had to go into your DVD preference menu and tell it you have a 4:3 TV because that's the default setting. If you have widescreen then you probably went in and told it so.

The .DV files I sent Jarred look squeezed when I play them on my laptop, but the DVD I burned plays fine on my mom's 4:3 and my Dad's 16:9.

So if you can't crop to 16X9
option A) just shoot squeeze and you will be cool as long as its viewed on a DVD player.
B) if you can crop or scale, then you can shoot 4:3, drag it into your NLE timeline and enlarge it and correct the aspect ratio (under the motion tab in FCP) and blow it up. This is essentially what the camera does in squeeze mode and what jarred will do for you if you send him 4:3 letterboxed to 16:9, so you might as well do it yourself if you can. The advantage to this is 3 fold 1) Barry Green specualtes in his book that blowing up your footage in your NLE will be slightlu higher resolution than blowing it up in camera (squeeze) because it has a cleaner starting point, 2) you can slide the image up and down to reframe, and 3) you get to do it insted of Jarred -- looks like you want it to and less work for him.
C)Letterbox in camera and let Jarred blow it up -- only disadvantage is you cant reframe

Finally -- shoot 24pa, not 24p, because, again, since you're delivery medium will be DVD in 24p, why mess with telecine. The DVD will play the 23.98 at true 23.98, with no interlaced frames -- also for the web, you can choose any framerate you want and true 24p vs. 29.97 with 24p telecine (which is what 24p normal is) will give you a little more bandwidth.

NLE technical limitations asside, I would shoot 4:3 if I were you, at 24pa, then crop to 16:9 letterbox in post / or blow it up in your NLE.

Or you could by my anamorphic adaptor and shoot 16X9 with an extra 200 lines of resolutiuon he he he!
 
good post Jack..

right on the money. Some people actually sent me 4:3, and i just pressed the chop button, some heads got cut off i'm sure, but hell its a zombie movie so cut off heads kinda fits. Some were so too bad to make it on the DVD though, so just get it right.

Since we are all using the same camera, when we get a little close we will post some output instructions for the dvd to make it a little easier... for FCP, Vegas, Premier, Avid etc.
 
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