Scene Settings

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>> Cinelike is not a linear function, i am very sure<<

That would be my initial thought as well. The question is - what is it? I was taking a look at some tests (http://www.bealecorner.com/dvx100/color/index.html) and I was quite surprised at how close the "Low" gamma setting came to "cine." I'm not sure I see a great boost in saturation. It is there certainly but it seems like the colors all are intentionally muted. Interesting.
 
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Shaw,

exactly...

I made some videos with cinelike color matrix and some others with normal color matrix.

ALL the videos recorded with the normal color matrix were a lot cleaner.  But at first i liked the greens better with cinelike, but after some experiments, i like the greens with the normal color matrix.

PLUS, normal color matrix has a lot better yellows and reds.
Orange is really purer also.
There is a small decreasing in saturation with normal color matrix that can be compensate with color level.
But anyway, the DVX100A has too much color saturation at factory setting with the cinelikecolor matrix. (dont remeber about the DVX100 though)
So the normal color has about just the right saturation for my taste and reduce the noise to a more acceptable level.

PLUS working color correction in post gives much cleaner results.

Let's hope the next Panasonic will have a cleaner color and luma rendition...

...yeah...there is also a ton of luma noise with the cinelikeD gamma setting...probably because there is a ton of processing to "fake" a better dynamic range...


...about the "low" gamma setting compared to "cinelike", i see the same as you. But when you actually shoot in normal difficult conditions, you'll see that "cinelike" gamma is not able to compress the high luma values but makes a temendous job in the shadow gradation. "Low" gamma setting has less details in the shadows but makes a better job at compressing the highlights....so it's a tradeoff, a compromise.
In a well controlled environment, the cinelike gamma setting looks good too.
Plus, it seems that Tiffen's Lowcontrast filters might be very helpfull in high contrast situations the cilnelike gamma can't handle the highlights. I bought two of them...supposed to be here in a couple of weeks.
 
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Normal is definitely the least-processed. The other matrices add a lot of saturation. You can see the effect on a vectorscope, as well as on a color chip chart. In all the other matrices the color is boosted up substantially, but not equally -- Enriched and Fluo are two prime examples. And yes, that post-processing can increase noise.
 
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I wonder why the XL2's cinelike (gamma and chroma) image is so clean...

is it about hardware or software ?
 
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Don't know. Also haven't seen a DVX vs. XL2 in the same light conditions, so we don't know how they *truly* compare yet.

But, the XL2 had almost two full years of development time after the DVX was introduced. That's an eternity, plenty of time for technology to have improved.
 
Hi. It's an old thread, but I'll try to bring it back to life.

We're about to start shooting our new film now, first time with my DVXBE (I've filmed alot with my camera before, but never a movie). I want the best film-look on my picture. I know light-settings and all has alot to say, but what little can I do in the scene file settings to make the film-look as best as possible? Most of the settings I change isn't doing much of a difference, except the colour temp and master ped (what does master ped do actualy? I don't believe that it is just another way of adjusting the iris or the gain :P).
 
Plecto said:
Hi. It's an old thread, but I'll try to bring it back to life.

We're about to start shooting our new film now, first time with my DVXBE (I've filmed alot with my camera before, but never a movie). I want the best film-look on my picture. I know light-settings and all has alot to say, but what little can I do in the scene file settings to make the film-look as best as possible? Most of the settings I change isn't doing much of a difference, except the colour temp and master ped (what does master ped do actualy? I don't believe that it is just another way of adjusting the iris or the gain :P).
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The Master Pedestal is like a contrast adjustment, the lower it is set, all dark colors seem to blend and you will lose detail between all dark areas.
Barry's book and DVD explain this in an easy to understand way, you really should buy it if you want to learn the DVX.
 
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