Saw the Hvx 200 today at panny open house

collie

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Hi, I am a first time poster so I hope this helps.I have shot film (35,16,8mm) for the last 7 years.I have never shot video until recently with the dvx and xl2.After i saw the dvx on the big screen(murderball premiere)I was kind of hooked on the look. Today ,at the panasonic open house I got to speak to the director of camera engineering and with Jan(nice lady)and other personel.It was a pretty intense conference that went on for over 5 hours!. All about gamma , ,dvx,hvx,and varicam.We even got to handle the cameras.
The Hvx is a great camera but the conference was really pushing p2 more than any one camera,they really pounded that this is the future of all capture,P2 cards.They really made a great case for it.They said it is expensive but this is for pro's not prosumers(they stated prices of p2 cards will drop every six months as more adopt it). I asked the engineer point blank is it better than the dvx and he said it was different not better(The image will look great he said).The camera is very thick and meaty with too many controls to list here Also ,I was given a lesson on why pannys gamma will always be better than canons gamma(xl2) The Hvx will not be available until the end of this year.Before december ends was the quote we were given.Panny was pushing to be the leader of P2 more than pushing any camera.(it was great to use the varicam ) They will continue the dvx but they really want to concentrate on P2 as a panny revolution.
I feel the lesson on Gamma and how 80% of shooters don't understand gamma was the best for me.It is not about copying films gamma curve either they said.
As for prices,it maybe high but panny said they want to be the leader in all professional video(no lower prices to come.... future cameras will cost more than 6k).It was too much info to post here but I hope this helps a little....They really didnt hype the hvx200,even calling it our "little camera" I wont mention any names but one person from panny was excited by the andromeda(uncompressed) more than the hvx200. But it was stated only the pro's should think about modifying the dvx not a prosumer.
One final comment at the conference "people who get caught up in specs never make a movie"
 
Welcome Aboard Collie!!

Collie said:
"people who get caught up in specs never make a movie"

I hear that....Seems to be ALOT of *Armchair Filmmakers* out there. Woulda', Coulda', Shoulda' + Infinite Rambling about Specs won't make you a movie.

You don't know where we could score some pictures from the conference do you?

Collie said:
They will continue the dvx but they really want to concentrate on P2 as a panny revolution.

Now wouldn't it be just dandy if they added P2 capability to the DVX100B....slated for release later this year as well. :happy:

~reservoir~
 
Jan Crittenden made a really great presentation on the HDX200, with comparisons to other cameras (JVC, Sony) and good explanations of the technologies.

David
 
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Veni Vidi Vici

It comes as no surprize that Panasonic plans on assimilating the high-end video market. It is also not much of a surprize that Panny is not so focused on moving cameras as they are on moving P2 media. Giving away the handles and making a fortune on razorblades...

I for one welcome our Panasonic Overlords.
 
collie said:
"people who get caught up in specs never make a movie"

How I love marketing. In other words dont ask Panasonic anymore detailed questions regarding the camera, because we will not give them to you.
 
It was a great presentation by Jan and the Panny crew for what should be a great camera with promising workflow solutions.
 
Can you shed some light on the DVX Gamma --vs-- Canon's Gamma? I already know the DVX outshines the XL2 but any detailed explanation?

And I agree; getting caught up in the specs can detract from the actual fun part; filmmaking.
 
Saw the Hvx 200 today at panny open house

fiercecurry said:
How I love marketing. In other words dont ask Panasonic anymore detailed questions regarding the camera, because we will not give them to you.

I maybe agree abot the marketing (better that they should release it then tell us about it, no?). <g> . . . think I'll work on my proficiency with my DVX100A while I wait for Santa to slide down the chimney (causing a few folks to eat their words). Happily devouring all the smart marketing I can get -- for me, looking back, all the "hype" was worth every cent I spent on my DVX.
 
Yes they do. They will continue to sell the DVX as a current model after the HVX is released. Remember, there's a $2,000 price gap between those cameras. They have a great $1400 camera (the GS400), a great $2400 camera (the DVC30), a great $3400 camera (the DVX) and they'll have a great $5995 camera (the HVX). The HVX will not replace the DVX (unless nobody buys DVXes anymore, of course).
 
Different cameras for different uses. I most likely will get the HVX when it comes out because of DVpro 50 and in the future, HD production. The learning curve for using the 24p in the DVX in the beginning was certainly more intensive than standard video in 60i. So I kind of think of the DVX as the base camera for working with higher end cams. Some of my friends who have been shooting with interlaced cameras for years find the DVX a challenge as I did in the beginning.
I'm also excited by the andromeda 4.4.4 alteration. As for P2, well....the price will come down, that's to be expected and the gig rate will increase, so, I agree it will be a great media device. There's no reason that the gig rate will not get up to 50, or so, gigs in a reasonably short time.
 
Barry_Green said:
Yes they do. They will continue to sell the DVX as a current model after the HVX is released. Remember, there's a $2,000 price gap between those cameras. They have a great $1400 camera (the GS400), a great $2400 camera (the DVC30), a great $3400 camera (the DVX) and they'll have a great $5995 camera (the HVX). The HVX will not replace the DVX (unless nobody buys DVXes anymore, of course).

I doubt you will have a reasonable HVX200 setuyp for less than $10k. The camera is just the beginning. Which is not to say it will probably have the best image in its class. It just that the class is not $6k.
 
John_Hudson said:
Can you shed some light on the DVX Gamma --vs-- Canon's Gamma? I already know the DVX outshines the XL2 but any detailed explanation?

And I agree; getting caught up in the specs can detract from the actual fun part; filmmaking.

Do you really think Panasonic would leak that info out...if Canon knew what the trick was to getting that film like gamma, it'd have the upperhand, considering the fact that the XL2 produces a sharper picture than the DVX, its only downfall is the gamma setting. That information is like....highly classified, if I told you i'd have to kill you kinda stuff. :lipsrseal
 
They keep saying that the DVX will remain a current product, butI honestly dont' see it. The kind of people who have a DVX are going to jump up to the HVX. When you get that high in price you might as well spend the extra 2 grand. For those few people that absolutely can't afford the extra 2 grand, they will buy one of the many used DVX's on sale from people who did make the upgrade. Time will tell, but I'm confident the DVX will drop a lot more in price unless native 16:9 is introduced.
 
speedbump said:
It comes as no surprize that Panasonic plans on assimilating the high-end video market. It is also not much of a surprize that Panny is not so focused on moving cameras as they are on moving P2 media. Giving away the handles and making a fortune on razorblades...

I for one welcome our Panasonic Overlords.

Hey SpeedBump, I don't understand what you are saying here. 1. We introduced two new tape based cameras, one DVCPRO, one DVCPRO HD and one new DVCPRO deck at NAB. 2. The razor blades are tape, not P2 cards. I can't see where anyone would need more than 3 cards with the HVX and in most cases, 2 would do nicely, for a very long time to come.

Best,

jan
 
Jan,

I think Speed referred to the old Gilette principle: Give away the hardware for not tooo much money, maybe even loose money giving it away and earn a fortune subsequently with the "software". Gilette did it that way and Polaroid as well. Apple in way does it with the iPod, too.

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