C200: Sandisk CFast 2.0 Price Drop

jbregar said:
Great advice!

I just bought a light kit (based on Aputure 120D IIs). Spent $2k or so for the kit, but my previous light kit sucked (it was old) and I just signed a big job doing oral history interviews, so it'll more than pay for itself by the end of February. That's really the only big "gear purchase" I have planned at all this year and it feels pretty good.

BTW, I'd much rather have a Mavic 2 Pro than a P4 Advanced at this point. Higher bitrates and foldable chassis. Best of both worlds.
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Let us know how you like your new lights after you get a few shoots in with them.
 
puredrifting said:
Let us know how you like your new lights after you get a few shoots in with them.
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Will do. First “for real” shoot with them is in early Feb. I’m going to do a few setups with a friend I’ve meant to interview for years now (he’s full of fantastic stories) before then though.

The kit is two 120D IIs and an LS1s I got for $300 used from a friend. I also have both of the LightDome II sizes. So far I’m pretty stoked with the return to “somewhat hard” lights and soft boxes. Lets me light things more like I did in my photo days with monolights.
 
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I bought a lot of lights in ‘18. 2x Intellytech LC-160’s, 2x Nila Boxers, 2x rigged-out LP Gemini’s(SoftBank, grid & BT), 2x Westcott IceLight 2’s, 2x Hive 200-C fresnel’s and 8x Quasar Science 4’ Crossfade tubes. My LED’s actually outnumber all of my tungsten fixtures, now. The one’s I’m really scratching my head over, though, are the Boxer’s. It was just such a good deal, it was hard to pass it up, but I haven’t even used them on one of my own shoots, yet. Rented them to a friend for one of his and rented them out on a shoot I was on when they needed some more heat, but that’s about it. I still go to my HMI’s for outdoor shoots with the sun in play.
 
Run&Gun said:
I bought a lot of lights in ‘18. 2x Intellytech LC-160’s, 2x Nila Boxers, 2x rigged-out LP Gemini’s(SoftBank, grid & BT), 2x Westcott IceLight 2’s, 2x Hive 200-C fresnel’s and 8x Quasar Science 4’ Crossfade tubes. My LED’s actually outnumber all of my tungsten fixtures, now. The one’s I’m really scratching my head over, though, are the Boxer’s. It was just such a good deal, it was hard to pass it up, but I haven’t even used them on one of my own shoots, yet. Rented them to a friend for one of his and rented them out on a shoot I was on when they needed some more heat, but that’s about it. I still go to my HMI’s for outdoor shoots with the sun in play.
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Damn dude, you're a G&L company! That's a lot of lights!
 
jbregar said:
Will do. First “for real” shoot with them is in early Feb. I’m going to do a few setups with a friend I’ve meant to interview for years now (he’s full of fantastic stories) before then though.

The kit is two 120D IIs and an LS1s I got for $300 used from a friend. I also have both of the LightDome II sizes. So far I’m pretty stoked with the return to “somewhat hard” lights and soft boxes. Lets me light things more like I did in my photo days with monolights.
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That sounds like a sweet setup. Want to get your feedback on those Aputure domes, they look pretty neat and I've seen some great lighting from them.
 
They put out a nice soft light and they're easy to set up. They're quite large folded down though, so I've mostly outgrown my lighting kit bag (Think Tank Production Manager 40). Both of them come in nice duffel bags though, so they're not too bad to move around... I'm just a sucker for "all in one case" for my light kit.

I'm flying them in two weeks, so I'll probably end up packing the domes in their duffels in a suitcase with my clothes and the rest of the kit in the PM40. Light stands go with the tripod in an SKB rotomold tripod case.

Also, the gel holder setup for the LightDome series is awesome.

Oh, I also snagged a Falcon Eyes flexible panel. It's bi-color and makes for an absolutely amazing hair-light rolled into a tube and quick-clamped to a boom arm. I like to run my hair light just a bit warmer than daylight and it's perfect for that.
 
Matt Turner said:
The C200 is the first model in the 3rd generation of Cinema EOS cameras, so I'm assuming Canon is staying with CFast and SD for this new generation.

Also thank Mictlantecuhtli they didn't change the batteries again.

So looks like investment in 2nd gen media and power will (hopefully) pay off when upgrading to 3rd gen.
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Sorry to answer so late, but I think it's worth noting that there weren't many CF Express cards on the market when Canon launched C200. Now there are more. I am a strong proponent of Canon going with RF mount + CF Express in their next Cinema EOS camera!!!! Their stills cameras can take great advantage of the increased speed of CF Express. Which their competition is already taking advantage of! For the mount all the Cinema EOS should come with RF LOCK so we can use adapters to EF and PL or even LPL!
 
Parrot said:
Sorry to answer so late, but I think it's worth noting that there weren't many CF Express cards on the market when Canon launched C200. Now there are more. I am a strong proponent of Canon going with RF mount + CF Express in their next Cinema EOS camera!!!! Their stills cameras can take great advantage of the increased speed of CF Express. Which their competition is already taking advantage of! For the mount all the Cinema EOS should come with RF LOCK so we can use adapters to EF and PL or even LPL!
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Canon almost never does what we think they will it seems and they take FOREVER to update their most popular cameras. The C300 MKII should have had a refresh at least a year ago. That said, my producing partner thinks that Canon will do exactly what you say, RF mount and it's shallow flange depth and greater adaptability to PL would make it a real winner for a lot of people. Those EF to RF adapters are actually pretty slick, I wouldn't mind using them. The RF lenses are, so far, sharper and more expensive than their EF counterparts, which increases profits for Canon so it's a win-win-win.

CF Express I know little about, is it just a faster version of CFast 2.0 or an actual different pin and physical interface compared to CFast? It sure would be nice if it was faster but we had two way compatibility with our expensive CFast 2.0 cards we have been buying.
 
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I wonder how RF and it's really short flange distance will impact the inclusion of NDs. IIRC, RF is even shallower than E-mount. Canon might have to move to a variable LCD based ND like Sony's using now.

CF Express uses a PCIe interface. I believe the form factor is similar or the same as XQD. I don't think anyone's selling cards yet.
 
Providing a free EF adapter for RF mount will be cool.

puredrifting said:
Canon almost never does what we think they will it seems and they take FOREVER to update their most popular cameras. The C300 MKII should have had a refresh at least a year ago. That said, my producing partner thinks that Canon will do exactly what you say, RF mount and it's shallow flange depth and greater adaptability to PL would make it a real winner for a lot of people. Those EF to RF adapters are actually pretty slick, I wouldn't mind using them. The RF lenses are, so far, sharper and more expensive than their EF counterparts, which increases profits for Canon so it's a win-win-win.

CF Express I know little about, is it just a faster version of CFast 2.0 or an actual different pin and physical interface compared to CFast? It shure would be nice if it was faster but we have two way compatibility with our expensive CFast 2.0 cards we have been buying.
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puredrifting said:
CF Express I know little about, is it just a faster version of CFast 2.0 or an actual different pin and physical interface compared to CFast? It sure would be nice if it was faster but we had two way compatibility with our expensive CFast 2.0 cards we have been buying.
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CFast 2.0 can't be made faster. Development of a faster version of the underlying technology, SATA, was abandoned a long time ago, even before Arri shipped the Amira and long before Canon shipped any cameras with CFast 2.0. So CFast 2.0 is essentially a one generation Memory Card standard that will NOT be backward compatible with the next upgrade.

That's why some of us have been reluctant to invest in CFast 2.0, since we've known from the start that this will be a short lived memory card standard.

CF Express is based on PCI Express. It can be expanded to more PCI 'lanes' as well as from current PCI-E 3 to PCI-E 4 and later PCI-E 5. Variations of the standard calls for up to 8 lanes, so theoretically up to 256Gbits/s vs CFast 2.0's SATA at 6Gbits/s. They also plan multiple form factors, including larger form factors. Current form factor is same as XQD. Bottom line: CF Express has the potential to stick around for a very long time!

Canon has already come out strong for CF Express, but they are always slow at these shifts. To stay competitive on the Stills side Canon HAS to adopt it, so IMHO better to switch the Cinema EOS line too now! For comparison: Apple abandoned SATA several iPhone generations ago for PCI Express.
 
Parrot said:
CFast 2.0 can't be made faster. Development of a faster version of the underlying technology, SATA, was abandoned a long time ago, even before Arri shipped the Amira and long before Canon shipped any cameras with CFast 2.0. So CFast 2.0 is essentially a one generation Memory Card standard that will NOT be backward compatible with the next upgrade.

That's why some of us have been reluctant to invest in CFast 2.0, since we've known from the start that this will be a short lived memory card standard.

CF Express is based on PCI Express. It can be expanded to more PCI 'lanes' as well as from current PCI-E 3 to PCI-E 4 and later PCI-E 5. Variations of the standard calls for up to 8 lanes, so theoretically up to 256Gbits/s vs CFast 2.0's SATA at 6Gbits/s. They also plan multiple form factors, including larger form factors. Current form factor is same as XQD. Bottom line: CF Express has the potential to stick around for a very long time!

Canon has already come out strong for CF Express, but they are always slow at these shifts. To stay competitive on the Stills side Canon HAS to adopt it, so IMHO better to switch the Cinema EOS line too now! For comparison: Apple abandoned SATA several iPhone generations ago for PCI Express.
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Good to know all of this, I probably won't buy any more CFast 2.0 cards then if they are a dead end, which is sad because they seem to work well with Cinema RAW Light. But that's par for the course in this business. So CFast 2.0 as long as I keep and use my C200. Noted.
 
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