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macgregor said:
If the sex scene looks cliche is because one reason:
People usually makes love in the same way.
hahaha.
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damn now every time im doing it im going to have to try someting new or i will hear mac in my ear wisperinig cliche, cliche,cliche... ;)

macgregor said:
BTW, the original scene was twice that long but we had to cut a lot for you, american audiences that cannot see naked people around... ;]
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hahahah.. you naked Euros love to swing it in the wind dont you> :)
 
macgregor said:
What do you use then?
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Everything you have in that screen shot, plus maybe a touch of "color balance". Color curves for whatever reason, I seem to forget about. You let me know how valuable it can be and I plan on CC'ing my film again to see what happens.

Thanks again.
 
macgregor said:
The 25 minute version has as impressive slow motion truck accident secuence that makes the titanium inner body came out the skin breaking the similo in 10,000 pieces that collapse on the road.
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25 minutes! - That's twenty -five minutes of joy!

Can't wait to see it. You're probably going to win, by the way. What are you going to do with the camera??
 
Just to elaborate on my one comment about the play fighting being a wee bit cliche - I felt I've seen that device in a lot of other movies (to highlight their relationship). Did it bother me ? Not one bit. Was it effective and useful as a transition ? Absolutley.

I was merely pointing out that a different scene may have served the same purpose. I know it's darn near impossible to come up with something completely new. An example that struck me as very well done was in "The Celebration" (if I'm remembering correctly) they show a scene of the guys dead wife blowing out her birthday candles. They expressed so much in that scene, and yet it is not a common one to see. Obviously, that wouldn't have worked in your scene, but it was just something to think about.

Other than that, I didn't think your film was cliche' at all (including the lovely sex scene :) ). There are certain tropes involved in these kind of sci-fi things, so your bound to tread some of the same ground.

BTW, let me give you props on the narration. It is reminiscent of a Wong Kar Wai film. The words seem so simple, but you make good use of subtext with them...Very poetic.

Also, the reason I think the Antarctica line is unnecessary is because I feel it would be more effective to let the viewer slowly come to the realization that this is in the future, on his/her own. It adds another element to "when" they know for sure, when they see the android in the road. However, that is a subjective judgement call. It's something to ponder though, if you are going out to other festivals, which I hope you do.
Brilliant stuff, regardless. :beer:

Cheers.

PS - How do i get in touch with the composers for your score ? Did you purchase some songs from them (maybe record label) or have it scored to your film ? I would be interested in putting them in my Rolodex.
 
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A wonderful blend of all of the things that make a movie work. I really like your choice of shots. The edit was well paced and the music worked well. Kick ass stuff! I want to see the 25 min. version.
 
D&G, I asked for music to 4 composers until i got more or less what i wanted, so what you hear was originally done for the shortfilm.

I liked Sigur Ros, Free Association, Cliff Martinez.

This song didn´t make the final cut:
http://personales.ya.com/elfabrica/secede.intheroom.mp3

This is the saddest song i had ever listened:
http://personales.ya.com/elfabrica/kettel.pianootjesinjuni.mp3

This is the sex scene track:
http://personales.ya.com/elfabrica/SIMILO.pianoleeg.mp3

And the ending song:
http://personales.ya.com/elfabrica/SIMILO.starlightweepingguitar.mp3


This guys have their record label, and can be find here: www.kettel.nl
 
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Muchos Gracias !! :)

Looks like we have similar tastes in music. And did anyone ever tell you, your avatar (I'm assuming it's you) kinda looks like Craig Ferguson ? (the t.v talk show host). It was driving me nuts, until I recognized the similarity :)


As to your funding for the 25 minutes short ? I think you've got a great investor calling card there ... :beer:


Cheers.
 
D_and_G said:
As to your funding for the 25 minutes short ? I think you've got a great investor calling card there ... :beer:
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hehehe. My english is not that good, man. Could you translate to simple english for me, please?
 
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Calling card = something to show a person or production company so they know what you are capable of, and then they can decide whether to invest (give you $) or not.

When the people with $ see that you can create such a high quality project, with the limited resources you have, they feel more comfortable about giving you money.

I don't know what it is like in Spain, but is there any government funding or grants ? What about people looking for tax reductions ?

Maybe you should move to Canada ? Your films blow away almost all of the crap our government funds here :)

And your English is really great. Just try to talk to me in Spanish :wink: (kidding)

Cheers.
 
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Hey macgregor...

Just curious (sorry if this has been dealt with... there are 14 pages of stuff to go through), but are you yourself a fan of THX-1138? (the film, not the DVXUSER.com member... unless both answers are the same ;) )

I know many aren't. Some are, though.
 
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Hey macgregor...

Just curious (sorry if this has been dealt with... there are 14 pages of stuff to go through), but are you yourself a fan of THX-1138? (the film, not the DVXUSER.com member... unless both answers are the same ;) )

I know many aren't. Some are, though.
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Blade Runner
THX1138

Those are my 2 favorite moves ever.
 
D_and_G said:
When the people with $ see that you can create such a high quality project, with the limited resources you have, they feel more comfortable about giving you money.

I don't know what it is like in Spain, but is there any government funding or grants ? What about people looking for tax reductions ?
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That is what we are trying to do.

But even people with $ dont give away their money for a shortfilm.
And government aids are usually given to:
- films with social and boring stories
- cheaper ideas
- people with contacts

So we are alone in a world full of people.
 
D_and_G said:
And did anyone ever tell you, your avatar (I'm assuming it's you) kinda looks like Craig Ferguson ? (the t.v talk show host). It was driving me nuts, until I recognized the similarity :)
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To be quite honest, in that picture macgregor looks like a NERD...
 
macgregor said:
That is what we are trying to do.

But even people with $ dont give away their money for a shortfilm.
And government aids are usually given to:
- films with social and boring stories
- cheaper ideas
- people with contacts

So we are alone in a world full of people.
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Throw together an LLC, or the equivalent in Spain, put together a PPM (private placement memorandum) and decide how small of shares you'll offer in exchange for X number of dollars. In otherwords, a bunch of people with smaller amounts of funds can put together enough capital to do what you need.

I have no idea how much money you spent on our short, but ours cost about $350 hard costs out of pocket, $250 of which was food to feed everyone VERY well for the 2 1/2 days we shot over the weekend. I'm assuming you kept your cost low as well, since you've said you returned product/props after using them.

With deferred contracts (people will be willing, I'm sure, to work on that caliber of production with deferred pay), and following the same low budget indie way of doing things that you did on this, there's no reason you can't make a full length feature for an insanely low price.

All that, in conjunction with a solid business plan/proposal on how you hope to make money back on it, over what period of time, what markets/venues for sale, etc. (all covered in a solid PPM) should help you to establish your goal in raising funds AND seeing a profit.
 
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Throw together an LLC, or the equivalent in Spain, put together a PPM (private placement memorandum) and decide how small of shares you'll offer in exchange for X number of dollars. In otherwords, a bunch of people with smaller amounts of funds can put together enough capital to do what you need.

I have no idea how much money you spent on our short, but ours cost about $350 hard costs out of pocket, $250 of which was food to feed everyone VERY well for the 2 1/2 days we shot over the weekend. I'm assuming you kept your cost low as well, since you've said you returned product/props after using them.

With deferred contracts (people will be willing, I'm sure, to work on that caliber of production with deferred pay), and following the same low budget indie way of doing things that you did on this, there's no reason you can't make a full length feature for an insanely low price.

All that, in conjunction with a solid business plan/proposal on how you hope to make money back on it, over what period of time, what markets/venues for sale, etc. (all covered in a solid PPM) should help you to establish your goal in raising funds AND seeing a profit.
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Yes, yes. You are completely right if we wanted to make a 2 hour film shot in DV and deliver it in DVD. SIMILO was quite cheap because we need no equipment.

But I want to make a shortfilm, not a film. I want to be able to distribute it in international film festivals (so a copy in 35mm is necessary). And since i want to go to the big screen i want to shot super35mm.

We could shoot a 25min shortfilm for around €30,000.

But add some heavy SFX.
Add a real running futuristic car that needs to be there (25-30k more).
Add a trip for 10 people to shooting locations.

And we are on €90k.

And a €90K shortfilm will hardly make that money back in festivals or TV channels, so i don´t know how we can find any producer (or producers) that could be interested in the project.

It will definately be a very very good product. But we are not able to sell it right now.

We spent 2 months writing a 80 pages dossier with detailed info about the production, a complete budget, a wonderfull script that really worked, we went to locations, we even had props and concept designs by David Loher (we even had designer Sead Mead involved in the project).

And there it is. We dont know how to move it on.
 
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Well, it sounds like you've already defeated yourself. You know what they say, "If you believe you can't, then you're right".

Forget the rules of what people say. Blaze the trail and FORCE it to happen. I couldn't disagree with you more than you can't shoot this on DV for theatrical release. It DOES happen, if it's good enough (check out PIECES OF APRIL and other films that were shot on Sony, Panasonic, and other DV cameras).

Besides, if shooting in thin mode, I'd imagine that the DVX (or whatever camera you use) should blow up nicely for theatrical/35mm release, if done correctly.

As far as FX go, check out http://www.preyalone.com/

You may still be able to see the entire 15 minute short film at http://www.jonny3d.com/html/__main.htm

One of our own DVXuser members produced this, and it's AMAZING what they were able to do. Sure, they almost killed themselves in the process because of all the work & pain that goes into making it as well as they did for next to nothing, but that's what sweat equity is for ... make something with little to no money.

Buyers are few & far in between that would look at a finished product, be AMAZED at it, and then ask if it was shot on 35mm, find out it wasn't, and pass simply for that reason. The ones who do are the ones that miss out.

Anyway, I'm off topic. If you believe you can't do it without the big dollars, then I believe you as well, because you'll have already given up on doing it without.
 
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