(Rumor) Panasonic New Camera S1V

Danilo Del Tufo

Danilo Del Tufo

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According to L-Rumors' website it will be a new camera from Panasonic this year, a new cinema camera called "S1V".
The camera will have the same form factor of S1H, but finally enhanced DFD autofocus, and other interesting features.
I dunno if it could happen, but I think it's possible, this is the link of the rumor:
https://www.l-rumors.com/very-wild-...onic-s1v-l-mount-cinema-camera/#disqus_thread

What do you think about it, guys? Have you heard something about it too?
 
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Danilo Del Tufo said:
According to L-Rumors' website it will be a new camera from Panasonic this year, a new cinema camera called "S1V".
The camera will have the same form factor of S1H, but finally enhanced DFD autofocus, and other interesting features.
I dunno if it could happen, but I think it's possible, this is the link of the rumor:
https://www.l-rumors.com/very-wild-...onic-s1v-l-mount-cinema-camera/#disqus_thread

What do you think about it, guys? Have you heard something about it too?
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If this has any truth to it I suspect it would actually be info regarding an EVA 2 rather than another update to the S1 in such short time.
 
filmguy123 said:
If this has any truth to it I suspect it would actually be info regarding an EVA 2 rather than another update to the S1 in such short time.
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You're assuming that this is an upgrade to the S1H, when it might be a S1H in a cine shaped body. ( i.e. a Lumix FF EVA1 styled body )
 
A 4.5K sensor in a new upscale camera sounds quite unlikely when the current S1/S1H models. not to mention EVA1, are already 5.7/5.9. Besides, S1H and EVA1 are already on the Netflix approved list.

This doesn't mean Panasonic can't come out with a high bit rate HEVC internal recording, faster frame rates, some form of internal or external Raw, et cetera, et cetera, it's just the specs above sound like A7SIII from 2018. Which is why it's deemed a "low grade" rumor by even the site publisher.

And, as far taking turns in upgrades, Varicam, Varicam LT and EVA1 are at the head of the queue.
 
TheDingo said:
You're assuming that this is an upgrade to the S1H, when it might be a S1H in a cine shaped body. ( i.e. a Lumix FF EVA1 styled body )
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I was assuming a LUMIX FF EVA1 style body which I assume they’d look at as an update to the EVA not another S1 model
 
Thinking about this more, S1V name might make sense, even if it would technically look more like an EVA2.

- Lumix/Pro divisions combined
- Lumix is a much better known name, and Panny is trying to bolster the prestige of the name. EVA did alright but wasn't ever a smash hit. Naming a new cinema camera Lumix would create a halo effect for all Lumix products with a clear upward progression and professional prestige.
- S1 - standard photo camera / S1R - "R" resolution focused / S1H - "H" high-end hybrid / S1V - "V" video

A Lumix S1V would essentially be the name of the EVA2 l-mount cinema camera, and the confusion in the rumor is thinking its just another upgraded S1 body. I'm sure it would share much in common with the S1H but add all the cinema bells and whistles.

if that's the case, I'll probably sell my EVA1 and trade up to the S1V. I hope they keep the same batteries as the EVA1, though.
 
filmguy123 said:
Thinking about this more, S1V name might make sense, even if it would technically look more like an EVA2.

- Lumix/Pro divisions combined
- Lumix is a much better known name, and Panny is trying to bolster the prestige of the name. EVA did alright but wasn't ever a smash hit. Naming a new cinema camera Lumix would create a halo effect for all Lumix products with a clear upward progression and professional prestige.
- S1 - standard photo camera / S1R - "R" resolution focused / S1H - "H" high-end hybrid / S1V - "V" video

A Lumix S1V would essentially be the name of the EVA2 l-mount cinema camera, and the confusion in the rumor is thinking its just another upgraded S1 body. I'm sure it would share much in common with the S1H but add all the cinema bells and whistles.

if that's the case, I'll probably sell my EVA1 and trade up to the S1V. I hope they keep the same batteries as the EVA1, though.
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Lumix is a much better known name than Panasonic ? Not even close. It is quite the opposite.
Not sure what would make you think there would be a halo effect by naming it's pro line after an amateur/semi pro line-up of mirrorless cameras..
May I remind you that you are on DVXuser, which is made by whom ?
And the HVX200 and Varicam, etc ? Varicam is a veritable institution as a name in the pro world.
Not to mention the countless other divisions that compose the company in the electronics and visual technology industry.
 
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yoclay said:
Lumix is a much better known name than Panasonic ? Not even close. It is quite the opposite.
Not sure what would make you think there would be a halo effect by naming it's pro line after an amateur/semi pro line-up of mirrorless cameras..
May I remind you that you are on DVXuser, which is made by whom ?
And the HVX200 and Varicam, etc ? Varicam is a veritable institution as a name in the pro world.
Not to mention the countless other divisions that compose the company in the electronics and visual technology industry.
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Assuming filmguy meant Lumix is better known than EVA.
 
Yeah Lumix and Panasonic aren't mutually exclusive... "Panasonic Lumix" goes together.

Panasonic stated last year when launching the S1 that their strategy was to redefine the Lumix brand as a brand name with cachet, as it had prior been associated as a budget brand or a consumer brand. I even gaff taped over my Lumix logos after a client looked at my camera and simply said "Lumix... huh."

And, they've been executing. The Lumix S1 series, especially S1H, are premium products in everyway. The box itself feels better than a high-end Apple product. The S1 series was defined as the no compromise camera system and its largely lived up to that with the S1H which ticked every box and then some for a camera in that form factor. The Lumix Pro series lenses have been expensive, but with quality up there with Zeiss and Leica. Premium products all around that are robust, well designed, full featured, and put professionals first.

As part of that, it makes a lot of sense to extend the Lumix name into even higher tier offerings. I suppose they could call it a Lumix EVA2, but why not extend the S1 name instead. Heck, maybe the "V" isn't so much for video but rather for "Varicam". The halo effect simply refers to the notion that if/when lumix is associated as a premium choice for professionals, owning a Lumix GH6 is more prestigious than it owning a Lumix GH4/GH5 ever was, and there's a confidence of knowing how it fits into a clear professional pathway.

Now that lumix and pro divisions are joined, I'm placing my rumor mill money on this as their charted course. A premium Lumix GH6 that reclaims the m43 throne around $2k, S1H $4k, and a $7-$8k Lumix cinema body. Makes sense to me.
 
filmguy123 said:
Yeah Lumix and Panasonic aren't mutually exclusive... "Panasonic Lumix" goes together.

Panasonic stated last year when launching the S1 that their strategy was to redefine the Lumix brand as a brand name with cachet, as it had prior been associated as a budget brand or a consumer brand. I even gaff taped over my Lumix logos after a client looked at my camera and simply said "Lumix... huh."

And, they've been executing. The Lumix S1 series, especially S1H, are premium products in everyway. The box itself feels better than a high-end Apple product. The S1 series was defined as the no compromise camera system and its largely lived up to that with the S1H which ticked every box and then some for a camera in that form factor. The Lumix Pro series lenses have been expensive, but with quality up there with Zeiss and Leica. Premium products all around that are robust, well designed, full featured, and put professionals first.

As part of that, it makes a lot of sense to extend the Lumix name into even higher tier offerings. I suppose they could call it a Lumix EVA2, but why not extend the S1 name instead. Heck, maybe the "V" isn't so much for video but rather for "Varicam". The halo effect simply refers to the notion that if/when lumix is associated as a premium choice for professionals, owning a Lumix GH6 is more prestigious than it owning a Lumix GH4/GH5 ever was, and there's a confidence of knowing how it fits into a clear professional pathway.

Now that lumix and pro divisions are joined, I'm placing my rumor mill money on this as their charted course. A premium Lumix GH6 that reclaims the m43 throne around $2k, S1H $4k, and a $7-$8k Lumix cinema body. Makes sense to me.
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I remember buying a Lumix power zoom p+s budget camera. I rather dislike saying “Lumix”. But if they commit to it, could turn around. Just has such a quick short, peppy feel to the name. EVA isn’t so great either. But really just depends on what they represent.

“Varicam” was a cool name, for the time. The frame rates from 1-60fps was amazing, and the adaptability of an eng. body, and the name made a lot of sense. But those sort of options were pretty much unique for the time.

The name still holds some prestige, but it means very little.

“Vari” is a pretty sound.

Sony did well with Cinealta, but what an awkward word to say.

Lumix was a word designed for the budget friendly models, the short of luminous, and the “-icks” just sound budget.

Panasonic and Red kind of messed up their naming. Sony, Arri, and Canon are ok. Sony coming out of left field with “Venice” after the “Fxx” series cameras failed to inspire. Venice was clever branding, but curious where does it go? Do they end up like Red and BM just coming up with a new name from time to time?

But, filmguy, perhaps you are on to something, maybe the “Lumix” badge can be redeemed and elevated. The letter “X” does well in the North American markets. Also, Panasonics collaborations with Leica and incorporating some L-mount possibly ties in the “L” of Lumix to mean something.

Panasonic has to do something about their physical design. Dvx100b, dvc30, and Varicam were good because they were utilitarian. After that era they went for style. The red accent would look good on a concept, but once itnis all plsticy on a real camera, the sense of flare just turns into toy. And the Varicam LT is utilitarian, but shares the fate of the HVX200.... just bigger than it should be. I like “nerd chic”, but the execution has to be quality, and you just can’t get around proportions, they have to be right.
 
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Ergonomics are tricky. My one hope would be for a camera that was designed to be handheld and to be able to operate the focus on the lens at the same time. This usually requires a third support input (in the past a shoulder). This has always been a HUGE weakness of the DSLR form factor. You have to choose between supporting the camera with your left hand or operating the lens wheels with your left hand.

Using my PX270/CX350, with the addition of the viewfinder against my face, I can support with my right hand (which also has the zoom rocker), the left hand puts a thumb under the bottom corner, 1st finger against the side and the remaining fingers can adjust the wheels. Add OIS and this is a super steady way to film.

Now this is an all in one design, how can we get this style of design/usability with larger sensor cameras? I can get decent approach with a GH5 with the right hand holding the grip, the screen out to the side and my left hand under the bottom of the camera with the fingers adjusting the focus from underneath. Not bad if you are o.k. filming from the chest down. To be honest though, it works better (steadier) with AF on!

These thoughts are coming from a one man band approach and not so much of a camera op inside of a crew. So that is probably a clash of uses as the design needs change as the prices go up...
 
Bassman2003 said:
Ergonomics are tricky. My one hope would be for a camera that was designed to be handheld and to be able to operate the focus on the lens at the same time. This usually requires a third support input (in the past a shoulder). This has always been a HUGE weakness of the DSLR form factor. You have to choose between supporting the camera with your left hand or operating the lens wheels with your left hand.
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How do you mean? They look to perform similarly when an EVF is attached.
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In some ways, a dslr is better than a traditional Pro camcorder design. Not saying it is better in all ways. A camcorder has many good reasons, like the internal zoom, etc. but when talking about physical ergonomics, i don’t see the dslr as inferior to many of the existing video camera designs, and in some ways, i see it as better.

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While neither of these are ideal for long takes, the dslr has two things going for it:
1: over all lighter weight and smaller, while still being full size and robust.

2: the elbows can tuck into the sides of the person’s body for more support for slightly longer takes.
 
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