KyleProhaska
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You serious lol? That's almost ridiculously clear. I have a hard time believing this and at the same time I'm laughing because it might be true. LOL.
Rumor: Canon 4k super35 camera
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You serious lol? That's almost ridiculously clear. I have a hard time believing this and at the same time I'm laughing because it might be true. LOL.
Im experiencing a different demand myself. The DSLR form factor is a headache, but if there's a way to build on it that's not so clunky, to get some weight then it's usually all good.
Either than that I am down for some artifact free MkIII
Michael Olsen
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That would be very interesting...though I'm thinking that compressed RAW would be much better received. People are concerned about handling RED 3K and 5K...try files 5 to 10 times larger.
squig
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I read something a while ago about Canon adopting thunderbolt so I would expect a clean output. Question is will it be 8bit or 10bit. I'm hoping for 10bit 4:2:2. A full 2k rather than 1080p would be nice too.
Just gimme a full frame FS100 like sensor in a 5D body for under $3000 and I'll be pretty happy.
Where did you read that??? I haven't come across it, but I'm gonna actually take a google around.
squig
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Can't remember. Could have been Canonrumors or might have been Canon discussing it somewhere.
squig
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from geek.com
Spurred by Apple's desire for a consolidated, universal cable, Intel unveiled Thunderbolt last month. Previously known as Lightpeak, Thunderbolt not only offers data throughput speeds that put the likes of USB 3.0 to shame, it also merges your computer’s sundry cables into one super umbilical, capable of doing everything from video to audio to data transfer.
It’s fantastic technology, and we can’t wait to see what happens with it. The only problem is that right now, only Apple is really supporting it in their 2011 line-up of MacBook Pros. Sure, a few of the usual accessory makers have said they’ll release the usual line of external hard drives and the like with Thunderbolt capabilities, but we haven’t seen a lot of other big names join the standard.
Consider that remedied. Camera maker Canon has just thrown its support behind Thunderbolt.
According to Hiroo Edakubo, Group Executive of Canon’s Video Products Group, the company is “excited about Thunderbolt technology and feel it will bring new levels of performance and simplicity to the video creation market.”
As they should be. Transferring high-definition photos and videos is something that Thunderbolt was designed to do better than USB, and by baking a video out and data transfer cable into the same port, Canon might also be able to slim down their camera designs. Either way, for photographers who shoot in either RAW or 1080p, Thunderbolt support — whenever it arrives — will be a godsend.
Spurred by Apple's desire for a consolidated, universal cable, Intel unveiled Thunderbolt last month. Previously known as Lightpeak, Thunderbolt not only offers data throughput speeds that put the likes of USB 3.0 to shame, it also merges your computer’s sundry cables into one super umbilical, capable of doing everything from video to audio to data transfer.
It’s fantastic technology, and we can’t wait to see what happens with it. The only problem is that right now, only Apple is really supporting it in their 2011 line-up of MacBook Pros. Sure, a few of the usual accessory makers have said they’ll release the usual line of external hard drives and the like with Thunderbolt capabilities, but we haven’t seen a lot of other big names join the standard.
Consider that remedied. Camera maker Canon has just thrown its support behind Thunderbolt.
According to Hiroo Edakubo, Group Executive of Canon’s Video Products Group, the company is “excited about Thunderbolt technology and feel it will bring new levels of performance and simplicity to the video creation market.”
As they should be. Transferring high-definition photos and videos is something that Thunderbolt was designed to do better than USB, and by baking a video out and data transfer cable into the same port, Canon might also be able to slim down their camera designs. Either way, for photographers who shoot in either RAW or 1080p, Thunderbolt support — whenever it arrives — will be a godsend.
David G. Smith
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Wouldn't we still be a couple of years out from external recorders that could support the Thunderbolt standard, at a price point that would be affordable? Thus, if the Thunderbolt support on a camera is not for high data rate, high bit depth recording to an external recorder, then what is exactly the point?
That's just saying the mkIII will be out by the end of the year... for all we know he knows nothing of the November 3rd deal and his just assuming you're speaking about some announcement made regarding it's release. On the other hand :shocked:...
GRENCH
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They didn't lag behind on the 5DMKII and the 7D.
They need to do something in the 35 video cam range sooner than later.
They need to do something in the 35 video cam range sooner than later.
Samuel H
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what you can do with thunderbolt is to use an external SSD drive just as you use CF cards right now, but much faster: you don't need an external recorder, only an SSD drive in which to write your data stream, with the camera as a controller and the digic5 doing all the image processing and encoding - also, on that call and the "you mean the 5D3?" thing: it wouldn't be the first time I come across supposedly secret information in a very informal way (I once met a pro who was shooting with a hacked-by-canon 5D2 that did *something special*, and he was quite open about it when he saw me as a fellow DSLR shooter); but I also know that my will to believe this is true may be bigger than my common sense
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Red has pretty much locked down compressed Bayer RAW for frame rates above 23fps with their Redcode patents. You are not likely to see compressed raw motion recording from anyone for a long time.
What seems to be emerging is methods for recording 4 1080p AVCHD streams ala the little JVC prototype and stitching them together for 4k.
What seems to be emerging is methods for recording 4 1080p AVCHD streams ala the little JVC prototype and stitching them together for 4k.
Ever heard of Cineform RAW? Don't believe everything you read on RED user.
http://www.siliconimaging.com/DigitalCinema/SiliconDVR_CineFormTech.html
Steve Strickland
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He seemed pretty clear on an upcoming 5DMIII release. If it's not the November announcement, maybe more than one cam is coming this year. Who knows. Obviously, I can't guarantee anything, but his answer and tone got me excited enough to jump on DVXUser and let my boys know about it.
Something is coming. It's going to be a long wait until November...
LiamR
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Canon has had time to sit back and watch now, the 'historic global announcement' could be both, 5dmkiii and a s35 camera, you never know, either way I doubt they are threatened by RED at all, they have a much bigger user base.
I find it funny how people genuinely think because they have an 'expensive' camera, there film is instantly better... no, just means the mistakes are more noticeable.
I find it funny how people genuinely think because they have an 'expensive' camera, there film is instantly better... no, just means the mistakes are more noticeable.
Or the alexa?
dustylense
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I like that there will be announcements from Canon and Red. It means more cameras for everyone. BUT! If I were Red I wouldn't go around trying to pick a fight with Canon. Canon could wipe Red out if they really wanted too, with their global resource and economic base. Plus, if you were to talk bad about Canon on Canonuser.net, they wouldn't threaten you with going to the back of the like Red does. Anybody remember about a year or so ago canon showing 120 MP sensors and the hairdryer camera? Red's are cool and I'm sure great cameras. But really all they have that allures me is a RAW capture. Do you really think that Canon isn't developing (and maybe producing) a camera with some sort of RAW capture for motion? Plus, Canon can produce ELECTRONICS for the masses far easier than Red ever could. 3k for 3K? Maybe 3 years after announcement, if ever. I'm still excited for the Scarlet, but it won't be the end all camera. No camera is the end all camera.
Whatever Canon and Red announces will be cool. Exciting times if you're into cameras. But darn Red, you might think twice about posting combat phrases against a corporation like Canon. If Canon puts their mind to it, they could knock Red out with a finger to the chest. They're just that big.
Whatever Canon and Red announces will be cool. Exciting times if you're into cameras. But darn Red, you might think twice about posting combat phrases against a corporation like Canon. If Canon puts their mind to it, they could knock Red out with a finger to the chest. They're just that big.
Barry_Green
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Thinking about this... The cinema guys who first adopted the 5D mostly complained about the codec and the lack of raw. And I think we all know that raw ain't gonna happen on a $2500 DSLR recording to a cf card. But that thunderbolt thing... If all canon had to do to make Hollywood happy is put a raw output port on... And, being Hollywood, they can supply the external raw recorders themselves... Well, that surely seems a reasonable guess.
Now, without massive improvements to the sensor tech to make raw worthwhile, I don't know how valuable this would be, but ... A 5D mark III announcement with a raw output on thunderbolt, announced in hollywoord, seems plausible.
Now, without massive improvements to the sensor tech to make raw worthwhile, I don't know how valuable this would be, but ... A 5D mark III announcement with a raw output on thunderbolt, announced in hollywoord, seems plausible.
hermmermferm
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Alexa doesn't shoot 4k
Isn't that also one of Canon's big things, though? The sensor development? I can't remember where I've read it but it seems like a few times, that Canon's got their own plants and R&D specifically for sensor technology.
Still, I wonder! And at a time when I should be doing other things. Doh.