rolling shutter hxp300?

Barry_Green said:
Not sure I understand the question - DIcs?



Can you point to an example of the kind of footage you'd be planning on shooting?
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well, Barry i meant something like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDvn1-nVy28&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y2J8lQUki0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8lq-4UDFHg

We shoot lots of events where we have to shoot DJ setups where folks swing around in Scanners, laser lights, strobes etc, Photograpers Flashes, etc.

So i was wondering how would HVX300 react to such lighting, i have tried to surf for footage of such shows shot on EX! or 3 but nothing much could be seen around.

Moreover what ever I shot was shot in AVCintra as 1080i50 log & captured into FCP using Prores HQ 1080i50 codec and rendered out the quick time thru the same setting but the resultant video mov file was very strobic/juddery as if i had something in 24p mode, i hope i have used the right settings.

bigBRO
 
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I also tried downloading & instaling the demo version of Caliberated S/w's AVCintra MXF import for FCP...unexpectedly whenever i import clips (event under 30secs) FCP crashes.

Any ideas..whats wrong.Kevin uses the same s/w may be has highlights on it.
 
Big Brother said:
So i was wondering how would HVX300 react to such lighting, i have tried to surf for footage of such shows shot on EX! or 3 but nothing much could be seen around.
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Yeah, I think that's not gonna work. I'd probably go for CCD in those cases. However, be aware that CCD can have a potential artifact too, which is the big vertical smear that sometimes happens when shooting a bright light.

I can't say CMOS will definitely choke in those circumstances, but if I had to make a recommendation I'd recommend a low-smear CCD to be sure.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
I showed this camera to the FCP group in Arizon last night and showed tracking footage as well as pans of Central Park and it all looked great.
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Where do we see these pans?

That's the problem for many of us.

The Zacuto/Vimeo test is down.

If you have footage of pans of Central Park, can we upload it somewhere and see it.

best
 
Barry_Green said:
I'd be glad to do all that. Any test I perform would be designed to eliminate as many variables as possible. It would be done with equal frame rate, equal shutter speed, equivalent field of view, identical motion, etc. Multiple frame rates would be tested, multiple shutter speeds would be tested, multiple focal lengths would be tested. I'd like to get ahold of a strobe like Jim Arthurs used, that would be excellent.
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Barry:

could also shoot some footage of a collegiate basketball game.

heck you live in North Carolina.

Can be that difficult with Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest and NC State.

please

:)
 
I have the HPX 301 this weekend. I will try all different sorts of shooting to see how she behaves...

If anyone has any really nice Panasonic scene files to get the best out of this camera would really appreciate it!

Phil
 
David S. said:
Thanks Phil.

Do you have any sunny skies over there?
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what's a sunny sky? ;-)

Actually today was gorgeous, hope for the same tomorrow. Will do some fast moving city shots, beautiful landscapes and some night time shots. Will try and cram as much as I can into a day before I have to give her back! I will be shooting AVCi 100 and have 2 32gb cards, so that should be enough!
 
i hope someone shoots soon scenes like Strobe lights, DJ Lights scanners, fireworks etc. for all of our evaluation.

Can any FCP user help me with codec for editing & rendering out MOV files of HPX300's AVCintra100 footage. I have shot on about 15mins of footage using the stock lens & also the fujinon TH13x3.5 lens !

i wanted to showcase the same for all your viewing but i cant do as the rendered output is bad...strobic...juddery !
 
Big Brother said:
i hope someone shoots soon scenes like Strobe lights, DJ Lights scanners, fireworks etc. for all of our evaluation.

Can any FCP user help me with codec for editing & rendering out MOV files of HPX300's AVCintra100 footage. I have shot on about 15mins of footage using the stock lens & also the fujinon TH13x4.5 lens !

i wanted to showcase the same for your viewing but i cant do as the rendered output is bad...strobic...juddery !
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When you bring it in under log and transfer are you importing it as pro res or pro res HQ?

You should just export the pro res as a movie file and it should be fine, it was for me...can you do a screen grab of your sequence settings and email them to me at philip@philipbloom.co.uk?
 
philip bloom said:
I have the HPX 301 this weekend. I will try all different sorts of shooting to see how she behaves...

If anyone has any really nice Panasonic scene files to get the best out of this camera would really appreciate it!

Phil
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I am not sure if it has the same function the HVX-200 did, the spot meter, where you can zero out the master pedestal by keeping the lens cap on and lowering it. Anyways, if you can make sure that it is at 0 IRE, that would be awesome. I think on the HVX-200, it was usually -4 or -5??

Also, if you can do some low light shooting and "normal" pan and tilts that you would scene in a dramatic (non-action) film.

Is there a way you can upload the raw MXF files for us to share?

And if you can create world peace that would be great too. Seriously, your reviews and tests are always appreciated.
 
baquajim said:
I am not sure if it has the same function the HVX-200 did, the spot meter, where you can zero out the master pedestal by keeping the lens cap on and lowering it. Anyways, if you can make sure that it is at 0 IRE, that would be awesome. I think on the HVX-200, it was usually -4 or -5??

Also, if you can do some low light shooting and "normal" pan and tilts that you would scene in a dramatic (non-action) film.

Is there a way you can upload the raw MXF files for us to share?

And if you can create world peace that would be great too. Seriously, your reviews and tests are always appreciated.
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world peace is easy! uploading mxf harder! those are BIG files, if anyone can host them would be most appreciate. Is there a good location to download scene files? Been out of the panny loop for 2 years!
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

Third if CMOS was unacceptable and couldn't produce acceptable results then Sony, Canon, Red, Phantom Grass Valley, and I know I am missing another manufacturer here, these guys could not sell cameras.

Can you make acceptable images with the camera, most definitely.

Best,

Jan
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Given the choice, most any DP would pick CCD. I own an HVX and a RED. 99 % of the time rolling shutter on the RED is not an issue. I think many camera people notice the artifacts more than an audience will feel it. I've done vehicle work and loads of hand held with the RED and skew, jello or whatever hasn't been a problem. Flash, explosions and sirens are a serious problem though. This precludes alot of COP drama which is a staple in entertainment. Law and Order passed on RED for this reason. It's a Genesis show.

Sure the heavies can sell CMOS but don't kid yourself thinking that we love it. It's the only choice for certain cameras that have other feature sets we love. But if we could get the equivalent in CCD we would.

What is the rationale for making the HPX 300 a CMOS camera? What are the advantages if any? Telling me Sony, RED, and Phantom use it is not a reason. Once upon a time, car makers used fake hood scoops too.

Does the CMOS allow us to get this for 10G instead of 15G? Eitherway, that rolling shutter does have me on the fence. CCD I'd place an order now.
 
Big Brother said:
i hope someone shoots soon scenes like Strobe lights, DJ Lights scanners, fireworks etc. for all of our evaluation.

Can any FCP user help me with codec for editing & rendering out MOV files of HPX300's AVCintra100 footage. I have shot on about 15mins of footage using the stock lens & also the fujinon TH13x3.5 lens !

i wanted to showcase the same for all your viewing but i cant do as the rendered output is bad...strobic...juddery !
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Why bother? It will suck under those conditions. Have yet to see any rolling shutter that doesn't give the split exposure under strobe. This won't be any different.
 
Tim Naylor said:
Given the choice, most any DP would pick CCD. I own an HVX and a RED. 99 % of the time rolling shutter on the RED is not an issue. I think many camera people notice the artifacts more than an audience will feel it. I've done vehicle work and loads of hand held with the RED and skew, jello or whatever hasn't been a problem. Flash, explosions and sirens are a serious problem though. This precludes alot of COP drama which is a staple in entertainment. Law and Order passed on RED for this reason. It's a Genesis show.

Sure the heavies can sell CMOS but don't kid yourself thinking that we love it. It's the only choice for certain cameras that have other feature sets we love. But if we could get the equivalent in CCD we would.

What is the rationale for making the HPX 300 a CMOS camera? What are the advantages if any? Telling me Sony, RED, and Phantom use it is not a reason. Once upon a time, car makers used fake hood scoops too.




Does the CMOS allow us to get this for 10G instead of 15G? Eitherway, that rolling shutter does have me on the fence. CCD I'd place an order now.
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm with you all the way
Paul
 
i hope someone get a chance to shoot flickering lights like strobes, scanners etc used by Disc Jockeys...i have set my eyes on this camera as its best for my budget provided it gives me satisfactory results in the stated condition (as above). i still haven't been able to get desired render thru PROres HQ setting. I wish i had shot in DVCpro HD for direct access in FCP !

Wonder how soon.
 
David S. said:
Where do we see these pans?
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I will be giving them to Barry on Monday and he can figure out how to show it.


The Zacuto/Vimeo test is down.
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The interview is still up but the test wasn't a test and appropriately was taken down as it lead folks to believe something that was not true.

If you have footage of pans of Central Park, can we upload it somewhere and see it.
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Barry will let you see it when he gets it loaded somewhere. But we have tracking shots of bicylists, runners horse buggies and skaters along with some fancy fast camera action follwoing the frisbee game. Also have some short clips taken with the camera on a steadicam flyer, operater goes up and down stairs runs down the hall and just tracks myself and the Account Manager from Tiffen, Sandi Stern.

One caveat on the Central Park footage is that it was shot with a version 1 camera and edited in Pro-Res. We are now at Version 3 and by delivery we will be at Version 4. There are a couple of small areas that have a bit of noise and we haven't been able to pinpoint where that came from or why that particular shot had it but a similar shot didn't so, please do not jump on the noise in some of these shots, camera doesn't look like that even today at version 3. But I think when you see the footage you will see that you can indeed move the camera, it all doesn't have to be a lock-down.

In the mean-time, have a great weekend.

Best regards.
 
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