Rob Zombie's Halloween

yeah he does. I didn't know he shot this. i love Lonesome
Jim. And In The Soup.

here's what scott the reader has to say about Haloween:

"I'm not sure why anyone remakes good movies; why not redo Prom Night? Or Terror Train? Or Bonfire of the Vanities?

Rob Zombie's Bonfire of the Vanities. I'd see that."
 
I love the whole origin story thing. The remake fills in a lot of the blanks left by the original, which in the whole makes it a better film plot-wise. I also really enjoyed the fact that he went so in-depth about the whole concept of the mask, why he always wore one and how it distanced Michael from himself in a way. Character development is key, and that's why this film worked so well.
 
Im just glad that the 80's horror genre can be reinterpreted for today's contemporary audience. God forbid they have to watch something twenty years old.

I hear that Michael Bay is remaking Big Trouble in Little China.
 
I thought Zombies version was awesome and Parmets shots etc. were great. i loved how it was shot. Loved all the CU's etc. To me it made it more interesting than seeing all the action in a wide shot etc.
 
I hated it as well. The last 40-50 minutes were good story-wise, acting wise horrible.

I think the beginning, adding the family history was a cool idea, but he just didn't do it right.

Some things I would of changed: (SPOILERS)

Michaels long freaking hair.
Michael kneeling down in front of his sister handing her a picture. WTF?
Michael looking like Jason Vorhees.
Having every actor in Halloween as he had in all his other movies.
Play the music in the middle of the movie, instead of ruining an original classic theme on a kid with a myers mask on that looks like a midget.


I did how ever like the directing, the shock move ments, and the Cinematography was good as well.
 
phil parmet huh? nice.

it was like my dream. Halloween plus handheld shallow DOF cinematography.
 
Cinematography was nice but wow horrible film absolutely shouldn't be in the same sentence with the first Halloween. How is Rob Zombie making movies? Oh yeah the whole he is rich...better yet how can his films have such a huge fan base.
 
Yeah, I consider this film to be the worst of the remakes. Zombie completely lost the point of the shape. I really hate when new filmmakers try to explain every detail, it seems to be the new trend and it's exhausting. Perhaps they are trying to make up for a lack of intelligence in the audience, but many of us still appreciate films that make us think, that allow us to fill in the holes. That is one of the main reasons that earlier horror films worked, because they didn't explain why the killer is doing what he is. Tell me what’s more scary a man killing people because he had mommy and daddy issues or a man killing for no apparent reason.

Same goes for the TCM remake, he wears a mask made from human skin to hide a disfigurement. Well Ed Gein wore skin because he felt like it. What’s more messed up?

Too, the reason Michael Myers worked is in the complete and utter lack of emotion. Even Loomis said it best:

"I met him fifteen years ago. I was told there was nothing left, no conscience, no reason, no understanding, in even the most rudimentary sense, of life or death or right or wrong. I met this six-year-old boy with a blank, cold emotionless face and the blackest of eyes, the devil's eyes. I spent
eight years trying to reach him and another seven trying to keep him locked away when I realized what was living behind that boy's eye's was purely, simply evil."

Michael 2007, is a 7 foot tall monster with a lot of emotion running around town stabbing couples that just finished or are having sex. He exhibits too much emotion in his killings and let's not get into the Laurie issue, what a sham. Horror is about mystery, it supposed to keep you guessing and allow you to do your own character development, allow the audience to fill in the holes. Horror now days just explains too much. It may reflect the audience, but there are few "cult classics" that have been made in recent years. I guess the quick dollar is more important than status and longevity.
 
Revenant_Creations said:
Tell me what’s more scary a man killing people because he had mommy and daddy issues or a man killing for no apparent reason.
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I couldn't agree more.

*****POSSIBLE SPOILERS*******
In the original, Michael was from a very normal family in a very normal small town. The idea that your, seemingly normal, next-door neighbor could snap and kill a bunch of people for no apparent reason is a scary thought. Having him come from a white trash, abusive household (stripper for a mother, etc.) didn't do anything for me.
 
If you were given the rights and the budget, would you film a remake of

Nightmare on Elm Street
Friday the 13th
Carrie
Rosemary's Baby
Psycho
The Shining
Jaws
The Exorcist
Evil Dead

I think many people here would do it. Many filmmakers would latch onto the preexisting market these films already have. Which is why these movies keep getting made. Even John Carpenter made "the Thing."
 
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Knoxworth said:
If you were given the rights and the budget, would you film a remake of

Nightmare on Elm Street
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No. By some synergistic miracle the first couple were not horribly cheesy. I don't think that could ever happen again.
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Friday the 13th
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Yes. I enjoyed it at the time and of course it holds special place for me. But it is no Citizen Kane.
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Carrie
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I don't know. Great movie. I'm tempted to say yes just do to the horrible fashion. But Spacek was perfect. Hard to imagine another.
Knoxworth said:
Rosemary's Baby
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Great movie. But does not seem to be burned in the collective consciousness the way some others are. Not as iconic from a purely visual sense maybe? So I think maybe it could be fresh.
Knoxworth said:
Psycho
The Shining
Jaws
The Exorcist
Evil Dead
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No way. Never.
Knoxworth said:
I think many people here would do it. Many filmmakers would latch onto the preexisting market these films already have. Which is why these movies keep getting made. Even John Carpenter made "the Thing."
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Matt Grunau said:
Yikes is this movie going to suck.


"Inside every one of us . . . There exists a dark side" (cue Vader's respirator)


This movie would be humorous if it was a conceptual thing, or a joke. "Hey, did you hear Rob Zombie is going to remake Halloween?" *snicker*

I don't wanna know what makes Mikey tick. I want to NOT know what is or isn't going on inside him.

I want suspense, not gore induced revulsion instead. I want fear, not over the top graphically depicted violence instead. I want drama, not dizzying camera work and cursing instead. Rob Zombie remaking Halloween would be just like Lucas remaking . . .

Oh, wait a minute.


Trailer sucked, movie is going to suck.

I can't quite get the my mind around the “Zombie filmmaker” bandwagon. His movies aren't good. Period. No, his movies suck. Period. Because he used to be a marginally talented, studio-crutched musician he is a great filmmaker? Are you kidding?

And he is going to rape one of the best villains of all time.

For shame.

I wonder if every other word will be "f**k" like in his last two pieces of garbage.
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Finally got around to seeing it, and it seems my other prediction was pretty close.

Acting - Decent at best
Dialouge - F-bombs twice per sentence. Impressive writing there Bob.
Directing - Not great, but still his best to date.
Camera work - Much improved over everything else he's done. Much cleaner, better composition, though I do agree with some that there were parts with the framing was odd and the jerkiness got a little annoying. I was so pleased at how much better it was than the last it didn't bother me that much.
Story - Yuck and double Yuck. Again, I don't wanna know what made Mike what he became. Backstory on "Evil incarnate"? Bad move, and undermined the character later in the film.

Overall the movie wasn't a complete disaster, though it wasn't worth the price of the ticket. Cant hold a candle to the original, and was at best a C- or D+.

Enough with the psychology in movies anymore. Jesus. And enough with overuse of cursing. When you are taken out of the viewing/movie experience because every other word is a profanity, vulgarity, or obscenity, it's a real shame.
 
I recently caught this film. The cinematography was the weakest part. What was with all the lips to eyeball closeups? Most of the shots were way too tightly framed, and/or poorly exposed. Some scenes looked pretty good eg. near the first part of the film in the kitchen with all the vulgar boyfriend dialog. It was nothing to write home about.

One scene that bothered me was when the bully was getting beaten. The "looking into the trees" should have been shot much wider. Why would you telephoto upward into trees limbs? Would you want to compress the sky with the treetops? For what reason? On exposure in that scene: It looked so shitty and overexposed, and then treated in post to try and make up for it. I would have just left those scenes out.

Story: Michael Myers should not be some developmental disability case. That's so god damned lame. It changes the entire feel of Halloween. It makes it into a case of Nurture, instead of Nature. What was terrifying about Michael Myers was; he was like JAWS. He was just this killing machine with no solid reason just vague motivation like an old toy car that goes forward, bounces into a wall, flips over, and doesn't flip again until it hits another wall.

What made it scary in the original was his family was middle class, average, just like most of the viewers watching. He was a young child who chaotically went off the deep end one halloween night. He stands out in front of the house holding the knife, very clean cut, wholesome... the counterpoint to that is what was terrifying. Some long haired, kiss tshirt wearing, little indigent spawn of several generations of pothead trailer trash.. who cares? It's not in my wildest imagination that this kid will turn into a wife beater, or killer. It's not something I automatically expect, but it's not as much of a surprise.

Music: They did a great job here. I was very impressed with the mix quality and the adherence to the original film's vibe. Cue selection was a bit dumb at times. There are three main halloween themes. You have the Stalking theme, the main titles, and the eerie Haddonfield theme that is more mellowed out. Sometimes they brought in the stalking theme when the simple Haddonfield theme should have played.

Laurie Strode should have been developed more. It was creepy in the original when you connect with her. Beyond Michael in RZ's she was like parsely, just some little side note or garnish. I wanted to connect with her more. The actress that played her wasn't that great. She seemed more like a Sally character from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre than Laurie Strode, screaming and all.
 
I can't really compare the remake to the original. The Original was the scariest movie I ever saw being that I was at that tender age. The new one had its moments but was typical now horror stuff. A bit over the top - low acting - high energy gore. Too much time spent on non-sensible back story. I guess Ms. Zombie wanted a bigger role. I will say that Mr. Zombie is getting better with each film.
 
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