Rig sticks and steadi..
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Well, I dunno if it's plain dumb. It will only make sense, however, if you're used to using a follow focus and probably have a whip with your FF as well. My FF is still right by the lens, but there's a 12" whip that hangs down near my let hand, pretty much exactly where your wheel is.
Just have to actually get a whip. I.E Money, and again the DIY Skate Wheel is neat for some pick and pull parts.
squig
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keeping in mind that a "pro" follow focus, whip, and a few gears costs around $1000
squig
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Well I meant a usable entry level "pro" setup like a redrock or slightly more for a petroff. I put pro in inverted comma's because it's a subjective term. To me "pro" is something that delivers "pro" results in the right hands rather than something that is marketed as "pro" with a "pro" price tag.
squig
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Well if you look up the definition of professional it mostly relates to people engaged in a profession not products. Anything used in professional hands that delivers professional results could be considered professional. Labeling a product "pro class" is just marketing hype.
squig
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in the hands of a master chef it is indeed in our hands it's just a fork, you get it now?
morgan_moore
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Your shot of a refocus in a hair salon is pretty much the only motivated single operator stable handheld focus pull in shot that I have seen on a 5d that has not been operated by me
I have considered how you did this and guessed correctly that a whip was involved
We see from that shot that being a skillful or pro operator in both configuration and use of a the kit is a large part of the equation
If your rig is configured with an intelligently placed whip then it is not a 'dumb'(ly configured) rig
Unlike the set ups we see in the marketing from the manufacturers which is IMO dumb
My dream rig would have a conventional geared (and those gears should be changable in ratio) FF with a whip ending with the control point placed as mine is
at that point we would have a great solution and most likely a very expensive tool
that would be a perfect solution for some sectors of the market - not a sector I am currently targeting
Again my design has other advantages over that dream configuration in terms of mass, ease of deconstrction, ability to reconfigure/remove, physical robustness, avialability of spares etc
It is also worth, if one is kitting up from scratch, when considering the purchase of a costly FF, that developments by Mr Hudson, Mr Hocus and the market in general that we may be only a month or two from creating an electronic, IR solution or even Iphone App solution - importantly those should solve the gear ratio issues
In terms of the definition of 'pro' solutions that is almost philosophical
For engineering solutions I remember so well my interview for Imperial College being asked to quickly devise a mesuring solution for testing the length of an object - a fish
In five minutes I sketched an impressive, costly and complex device.
The lecturer pointed out that that 'the pros' use two nails hammered into a board
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Your shot of a refocus in a hair salon is pretty much the only motivated single operator stable handheld focus pull in shot that I have seen on a 5d that has not been operated by me
I have considered how you did this and guessed correctly that a whip was involved
We see from that shot that being a skillful or pro operator in both configuration and use of a the kit is a large part of the equation
If your rig is configured with an intelligently placed whip then it is not a 'dumb'(ly configured) rig
Unlike the set ups we see in the marketing from the manufacturers which is IMO dumb
My dream rig would have a conventional geared (and those gears should be changable in ratio) FF with a whip ending with the control point placed as mine is
at that point we would have a great solution and most likely a very expensive tool
that would be a perfect solution for some sectors of the market - not a sector I am currently targeting
Again my design has other advantages over that dream configuration in terms of mass, ease of deconstrction, ability to reconfigure/remove, physical robustness, avialability of spares etc
It is also worth, if one is kitting up from scratch, when considering the purchase of a costly FF, that developments by Mr Hudson, Mr Hocus and the market in general that we may be only a month or two from creating an electronic, IR solution or even Iphone App solution - importantly those should solve the gear ratio issues
In terms of the definition of 'pro' solutions that is almost philosophical
For engineering solutions I remember so well my interview for Imperial College being asked to quickly devise a mesuring solution for testing the length of an object - a fish
In five minutes I sketched an impressive, costly and complex device.
The lecturer pointed out that that 'the pros' use two nails hammered into a board
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No whip or FF was involved. That shot was before I put my zacuto ff on which is still useless because I don't have any rings for my lenses. I sold them all to prepare for pressed on gears. All pulled off of the barrell.
And I can constantly repeat this without a whip, but that's because I've been pulling focus like that forever. It just feels much more natural to me to grab the lens even if I have to reach higher. I Pull Focus in production environments sans Follow Focus unless I'm forced to get away from the camera. However, with the weight of the MKii any little movement causes a jerk. This isn't such a problem with a 30lb camera on your shoulder, but naturally that's not the case.
So you know, I'm in no way downplaying what you're doing. The skate wheel is pretty brilliant and I'd encourage anyone without an FF to try it just to get the hang of what it's like to get your hand off of the lens. Was just not sure if dumb qualified but now I see what you mean.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Then I dof my cap to your operating skills
Try a skate wheel, local stock is good in your area and you wont need rings for your lenses
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Try a skate wheel, local stock is good in your area and you wont need rings for your lenses
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morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Indeed I intend many such options
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With Squig. Especially if you can get an elastic band that'll be tough enough for glass with hard stops and stubborn rings.
I think the concept of this rig is getting the notion closer to what needs to be done to achieve some great handheld. Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to balance things properly on mines, and best of all get the tilt out of it.
Already got it lowered pretty far which is great. One step at a time though.
I think the concept of this rig is getting the notion closer to what needs to be done to achieve some great handheld. Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to balance things properly on mines, and best of all get the tilt out of it.
Already got it lowered pretty far which is great. One step at a time though.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
I have a rubber/elastic (dyson spare parts) version of the FF
The elongational stretch makes it not work in pleasantly tactile manner
Those straps are strong and dont elongate under tension
the only improvement is teethed belt with glassfibre inside (google gates belt), machining teeth into sthe skate wheel etc
im on all that !
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