RED Digital Cinema anounces small camera

I think Bennis just backhanded someone in the face. Lmfao. Everyone wants to call it Vaporware, nobody wants to do their research and stay up on it.

That being said, when did POCKET CAM qualify as PROSUMER CAM you guys? I know, trust me: I would love to see a mini-RED that shoots 2k and has interchangable lenses.

In fact, I would love to have a red that shoots 1080p/60p (Variable framerates) and has interchangable mounts and lenses. But, doesn't sound like it's going to be more than an actual pocket camera. One that you take out and snap pictures with.
 
Actually I own a Ferrari -- see, stupid argument.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to have one of these too and as soon as they work and begin shipping them, I will.
 
They will begin shipping within the next six weeks. Orders 1 - 12. Tsk. There shouldn't be any arguement about it, sounds like someone just wants to remain a skeptic for the hell of it.
 
With those that ordered last not getting their cameras for another several months. So answer me this: If you buy a Red camera today, when will you actually be shooting it? I'm looking for an honest, accurate, no bs, no guess, no "hopefully", answer.
 
Please do not assume that because you wouldn't shoot with it immediately, nobody else would. RED ONE is not intended for those whom can't afford to use it.

If Peter Jackson put it to use BEFORE it even hit shelves, wtf do you think other professional filmmakers are going to do? Seriously, sometimes people surprise me. I mean at one point even I asked "How will you edit it?"... then Apple slapped me in the face with official RED SUPPORT. There's nothing anyone can say about RED at this point until the footage sucks; which it's pretty apparent from those at NAB that this is far from the case. Call it a done deal.

How the HELL can you even begin to call this Vaporware with a company like Apple backing it on their official website.

Edit: sorry to sound so crass, but come on people. What's all the negativity surrounding the camera about now? It's here, it's for real, it's supported. And it's already been put to narrative use before it's officially shipped.
 
As soon as NAB is over those Red guys are just going to take all the preorder money and skip town! :grin:
 
A pro pocket camera doesn't sound like something with Interchangeable lenses.
I like the idea of a little unit i can keep out of sight that shoots the kind of quality Red would put their name too.
Now if they can make a solid/waterproof/shockproof go anywhere device I'd buy one.
Red like to revolutionize and I think what's missing from the market is a pocket camera without the usual compromises of auto control or dodgy formats.

Something that you can take to Iraq and will take a bullet for you and keep on recording (n.b. I don't go to warzones but our local pub is pretty rowdy)
 
So at this point, we have absolutely no idea what it actually is.

Whatever it is, I´m already wondering about it´s price. :D

Red is 17.500 just for the body.
Pocket-Camera: 15.000 for the complete package? They said, it´s "not prosumer", so ...
At this point, they probably don´t know themselves.

The tension is killing me! ;-)
 
Peter Jackson and Apple, that's just super.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my question. If I purchase a Red camera today, when will it ship to me? I think that's a very fair question to ask. Why doesn't anyone answer? Is it because they are ashamed to admit that its poor business practice to highly promote a product that's months away from delivery? Are they ashamed to admit they have been hyping their product for a year and a half, and took orders for it over a year ago, and still haven't delivered a single unit?

It isn't that I don't think the camera(s) will ever be built, I just think it's bogus to advertise and promote it without giving more firm commitment on when they'll ship. This type of hype has happened many times in the past, especially at NAB, but Red takes the cake. This camera and it's numbers have been spouted for about a year and a half now. They debuted their concept and took orders for Red at NAB 2006 for Christ's sakes! One full year ago! And now, we finally have what appers to be a couple of working units, but no firm answer to when exactly a unit purchased today will ship.

With their track record, my guess is that this new prosumer handycam will ship probably in 2009 or maybe 2010. Why don't they start advertising and taking orders for their 70mm sized chip 16k, 20 stop camera they might maybe someday build? After all, my guess is that several people would plunk down the money for it sight unseen.

Yes, I'm playing devil's advocate, but all the same, I think I bring up valid points. I am not questioning their product, I'm criticizing their sales hype and business ethic, and more so, the people that drool over themselves about the product while ignoring this fly-by-night sales tactic.
 
I think the problem with that argument snowleopard is that those first orders were made by early adopters/supporters that should have understood the in development nature of the product. Even people buying it now are still buying a product without a firm release date and so shouldn't be asking for a delivery date already.

I think the only valid complaint (Criticism?) is that once shipping begins there will be limited numbers available. Even then it's only an issue if RED don't make buyers aware of that. We are aware of the situation with RED orders because of these boards I don't know how aware another buyer will be regarding delays so I can't comment on that.

If you don't want to wait indefinitely then don't buy it. Quite simple really. Wait until it's out, proven and available in greater numbers.

For the record I have no interest in buying RED beyond some kind of technolust wet dream where I am a rich and talented film maker rather than a penniless IT drone with an interest in DV I am just engaging with the community.
 
Now this is a lot more interesting than Red one. Why? Support equipment. If this is indeed a mini cam like the HVX, z1, xl h1, or other, then steadicams, Tripods, cranes, dollies, etc will be a lot more acessible. That indeed would be a revolution for independent filmmaking.

And Mini Red doesn't need interchangeable lens. Pack in one like the prosumers, and just include a flip option, or a mirror shooting option. The current 35mm adaptors are fantastic, and accessible.

This camera, if it uses a 35mm sensor, has 2k resolution with variable frame rates, would be the best camera ever. I would buy it in a heartbeat- I believe it would sell in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Every event videographer, independent filmmaker, or even big production houses would buy it has a b cam Red or an action shot cam.

This is very good business model. A breaktrough indeed. Go for it, Team RED!!
 
small is beautiful ...

small is beautiful ...

SPZ said:
Now this is a lot more interesting than Red one. Why? Support equipment. If this is indeed a mini cam like the HVX, z1, xl h1, or other, then steadicams, Tripods, cranes, dollies, etc will be a lot more acessible. That indeed would be a revolution for independent filmmaking.

And Mini Red doesn't need interchangeable lens. Pack in one like the prosumers, and just include a flip option, or a mirror shooting option. The current 35mm adaptors are fantastic, and accessible.

This camera, if it uses a 35mm sensor, has 2k resolution with variable frame rates, would be the best camera ever. I would buy it in a heartbeat- I believe it would sell in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Every event videographer, independent filmmaker, or even big production houses would buy it has a b cam Red or an action shot cam.

This is very good business model. A breaktrough indeed. Go for it, Team RED!!
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I have to agree here about a small Red camera! 2k with say a fixed 20X lens! I'd buy that without blinking!
 
Anyone thinking the Red One is vaporware is simply not up to date. They have a theater in NAB showing an entire 12-minute short film shot by Peter Jackson on the Red prototypes. It works, it's producing footage, and it's absolutely 35mm-caliber.

Getting amped about a Red pocketcam is obviously a tad premature when the only thing we know about it is "Red's gonna make a pocketcam." But considering the Red One does absolutely everything they promised that it would, and deliveries are beginning in a few weeks, and all reservation holders are being told they'll have theirs by around October, charges of "vaporware" would be highly inappropriate and inaccurate.

Red also announced that they're going to make their own 4K monitor, and their own 4K projector. So the Red line will consist of at least four products: full-size Red One, mini-cam (Red Two?), 4K monitor and 4K projector. And thousands of people are watching that 12-minute movie this week, so there will be plenty of opinions about it floating around on the web.
 
Enough speculation already.
Jarred is our inside man. When he spews the facts (whatever they may be)
I'll listen.
Until then...eveyone chill.
 
I don't think anyone is saying the Red is vaporware.

What they are saying is Red isn't shipping, and no body is currently using Red.

So to get excited about a new smaller camera when the original cam is not yet available is a little premature.

I've seen the "girls drinking milk" sample. Nice, but it is in photo/motion jpeg format.

Show me some footage shot natively by the Red camera, and a definite ship date, then I might get somewhat excited about a second product.
 
Man, 4k Monitor. I'm just imagining how much that thing will cost in relation to other monitors being that they seem to stick to a "reasonable price" mantra.
 
SPZ said:
Now this is a lot more interesting than Red one. Why? Support equipment. If this is indeed a mini cam like the HVX, z1, xl h1...
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The Red One is already the size of the HVX, z1, xl h1...Why would you think the Mini Red would be the same size especially if its called a "Pocket" camera?
 
I can vouch for the red one footage at NAB - it is absolutely stunningly hyper real. Truly amazing and clean.

the cameras used to shoot it were prototypes with only a record button. They chot it in 2 days and edited in 2 weeks and it was stunning. Lots of types of footage in it.

of course its an expensive camera (at least 30K with everything you need) but it looks beautiful
 
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