Red Camera used with Vegas?

At the moment Vegas only has a 8 bit internal pipeline, kind of limits what you could do with RED, SI-2K and DigiBeta for that matter. Even BetaSP isn't too happy going through a 8 bit pipeline if heavy grading is involved.
Also it is limited to 2K although I doubt there's any overall reason why it couldn't be unlocked to 4K, it's been 2K for years.

Of course if you were to grade elsewhere and downconvert to 1080 uncompressed yes, Vegas would handle it, if you had a serious amount of disk.

Me sadly thinks PPro would handle RED better than Vegas.
 
I'm a big Vegas fan, loading footage should not be a problem. At the moment it is indeed 8-bit & up to 2K only.
 
Cineform is offering a work around of sorts. You can buy their codec pack seperatly (It's currently not posted on their web site, but if interested D. Taylor will send you the link) and they have a sort of seemless downconvert to 8 bit from 10 bit, but you should only do that as a final step (ie you've done all your compositing in AE or other programs), and your using Vegas to finish, or doing audio recording and mixing.
I too am a long time Vegas user, and hope against hope they will offer 10bit 4:4:4 support in the near future. Even if it's a proprietary Vegas only codec, that would be a great step forward.

All us Vegas users should start an email campaign. Numbers count when a company is making business decisions.

But if it doesn't happen by Spring of next year, then Adobe Pro suite here I come.
 
Yeah, the "thousands of emails" didsn't get us anywhere with HVX support, either. Quite a shame as it is, in my opinion, by far the most efficient and user-friendly NLE out there.
 
Vegas did NOT receive 1000's of HVX request from 1000's of persons ... they may have received a 1000 of emails - and those were from the same several persons ... i have no problems using HVX clips in Vegas ( using DVrack or cineform )

i'm not so sure very many vendors know if/how their products will work with native redcode clips ...

as of NOW - use redcine and render out using codec that your NLE's supports ..

IMO those that want Vegas support - start requesting 10 bit support up to 4K res .. i've already sent in my request ...
 
donatello said:
Vegas did NOT receive 1000's of HVX request from 1000's of persons ... they may have received a 1000 of emails - and those were from the same several persons ... i have no problems using HVX clips in Vegas ( using DVrack or cineform )

i'm not so sure very many vendors know if/how their products will work with native redcode clips ...

as of NOW - use redcine and render out using codec that your NLE's supports ..

IMO those that want Vegas support - start requesting 10 bit support up to 4K res .. i've already sent in my request ...
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I wasn't even asking for native RED code support short term, just a way to get it into Vegas while retaining and using 10bit color space. Thats actually a tall order since Vegas' codec interface is still based on VFW. They would have to make the jump to DirectShow and HDR support. From what I've heard in the past, they don't want to yet because of stability issues. But I've only heard that second hand, not from Madison Media itself.
 
Video for Windows is sort of obsolete....

Video for Windows is sort of obsolete....

According to this link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_for_Windows
Video for Windows was introduced in 1992 and was mostly replaced in 1996, although not completely until 2000. So you could think of it as being 10 years obsolete.

ActiveMovie replaced Video for Windows in 1996, and was renamed Direct Show in 1998.
I don't know if this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Vegas is correct but it says Vegas supports "all major Quicktime codecs". I thought Redcode was supposed to act like "just another Quicktime codec" (?)
 
It supports QT, but AFAIK, it doesn't support 10bit ones. I would love to be surprised and find out it does.
 
vegas is 8 bit - it can read 10 bit QT but it knocks off 2 bits = 8 bit ...same with cineform 10 bit clips - knocks off 2 bits = 8 bit ..
NOTE: the free cineform reader for all PC's can read 10 bit clips but knocks it down to 8 bit unless you cineform prospectHD installed ...
 
8 vs 10 bit... how about floating point?

8 vs 10 bit... how about floating point?

I was interested to read in its doc file that the Cinelerra program doesn't even support 16-bit precision- the choice is either 8 bits, or RGB/RGBA floating point.

"Years of working with high dynamic range footage have shown floating point RGB to be the best format for high dynamic range. While 16 bit integers were used in the past, these were too lossy and slow for the amount of improvement." http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra/cinelerra.html#COLOR-MODEL
 
donatello said:
vegas is 8 bit - it can read 10 bit QT but it knocks off 2 bits = 8 bit ...same with cineform 10 bit clips - knocks off 2 bits = 8 bit ..
NOTE: the free cineform reader for all PC's can read 10 bit clips but knocks it down to 8 bit unless you cineform prospectHD installed ...
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In the CineForm case "knocks off 2 bits" is be not what is happening. When we detect an 8-bit request from a 10-bit file we dither to 8-bit which greatly improve the final quality.
 
jbeale said:
"Years of working with high dynamic range footage have shown floating point RGB to be the best format for high dynamic range. While 16 bit integers were used in the past, these were too lossy and slow for the amount of improvement." http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra/cinelerra.html#COLOR-MODEL
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Have you ever worked on a Cinerella?

Just curious. Have been watching the project for years, but sort of been content with the FCP thing...

Gunleik
 
I've just read about it, never used it. According to the page below it doesn't really have any users, so maybe I shouldn't take it too seriously.

http://linuxmovies.org/odd.software.html Cinelerra: "Represented as a pro tool, but has no studio users. Criticized for its confusing interface and instability on typical hardware."
 
Vegas is still #1 in my books. I used vegas to do some early cuts with Red footage and it handled it well in a 2k proxy format.
 
It really is too bad that there isn't a better selection of Linux tools. I'd love to ditch microsoft for a more stable platform where I can control every single process that goes on in the background. Windows and even OS X have way too much useless crap - from the perspective of a video/film machine - running in the background sucking up valuable resources.
 
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