RED and SD

joe 1008

joe 1008

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I came to this forum because I was very interested in the HVX (and I still am for all I have red and seen about it). But the specific project for which I would have needed HD got delayed and all my jobs for now are 4:3 SD. So for now I´m looking for a solution that suits for my needs and I am leaning towards the DVX - until the RED comes out next year. Here is a lot of talk about 2K or even 4K but I personally think the real benefits of the RED are shallow DOF, very good latitude and high sensitivity (I bet the RED is at least 2 stops faster in SD than the DVX but, well, this is pure speculation)
Also the RED is within the price range of any good 2/3" SD camera - so it´s not illusionary IMO to think about the RED for "simple" SD purpose. What do you guys think about this point of view?
 
Probably, but so much more cost efficient: Imagine a daily soap with that 35mm-look. (Well, DO WE REALLY WANT THAT???:eek:)
 
joe 1008 said:
Imagine a daily soap with that 35mm-look. (Well, DO WE REALLY WANT THAT???:eek:)
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:D

Maybe do you want an interlaced look, is that so?

EDIT -- It's interesting only 'cause we are escaping from this aliasing constriction or effective restrictions. But if you wish...it's your own deal not the business of anyone else.
 
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The DVX rocks! I still shoot as much with my 2 year old 100a as with my HVX. It's a no brainer, shoot what you have to now on the DVX and use it as a behind the scenes cam for your Red shoots later.
 
joe 1008 said:
I came to this forum because I was very interested in the HVX (and I still am for all I have red and seen about it). But the specific project for which I would have needed HD got delayed and all my jobs for now are 4:3 SD. So for now I´m looking for a solution that suits for my needs and I am leaning towards the DVX - until the RED comes out next year. Here is a lot of talk about 2K or even 4K but I personally think the real benefits of the RED are shallow DOF, very good latitude and high sensitivity (I bet the RED is at least 2 stops faster in SD than the DVX but, well, this is pure speculation)
Also the RED is within the price range of any good 2/3" SD camera - so it´s not illusionary IMO to think about the RED for "simple" SD purpose. What do you guys think about this point of view?
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i agree with joe1080!

i was never drawn to the idea of attaching a lens on a lens with a box inbetween to get shallow dof and then loose a stop (and an ugly looking isaw to say the least no pun intended!). great latitude that compares with a canon 5d dslr is way more important (imho) when compared with that rich 4k color that also requires a super computer to get along with.
 
Most of the advertisement and videoclips seen on SDTV were 35mm shot and they didn't have the daily-soap-look. So, no worries! :)
 
For interlaced SD you'd have to shoot / record 1080i and downconvert and centre crop to get 4:3. Nothing stopping you doing this, and you've future-proofed your footage too.

But, in my ignorance I ask, are programmes even allowed to be made in 4:3 any more? By making in 4:3 you ruin any chance of good HD upconvert, and all new TVs are 16:9. In Europe, everything went 16:9 ages ago in preparation for HD. It looks like the USA has ignored this simple step....
 
Graeme_Nattress said:
But, in my ignorance I ask, are programmes even allowed to be made in 4:3 any more?
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The entire local production industry is 4:3 in America. Local commercials, local broadcasts, we don't have such a thing as 16:9 broadcasts in America. If you want to deliver a broadcast-ready program to a broadcaster, it has to be in 4:3. If you're doing local commercials or car dealer shows or home shows or lawyer shows or any of those kind of things, it's all 4:3 all the time.

In Europe, everything went 16:9 ages ago in preparation for HD. It looks like the USA has ignored this simple step....
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The only 16:9 broadcasts in the USA are HD broadcasts. Europe broadcasts 16:9 SD, but the USA never did.
 
Once we'd be further, isn't it Graeme*?

* our proud as native european (I know now you're a canadian citizen too!) and one of the european_contributors@RED
 
Thanks Barry - I thought as such, but given the big move to HD, I thought they'd have learned from how well Europe has transitioned to 16:9. But I forgot we were talking about the US broadcasters - silly me.

Graeme
 
WOW I didn't know it.

A second european reason to support this project. The first is what you will be offering to our way of moviemaking.
 
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Graeme_Nattress said:
In Europe, everything went 16:9 ages ago in preparation for HD. It looks like the USA has ignored this simple step....
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So far there are few channels that are distributing in 16:9 only. Mostly higher budged productions like drama or some documentaries or sports events are produced in 16:9. Many people bought a 16:9 TV-set to see the world soccer championship in Germany in that formate. But there must have changed a lot in the last month that I have´nt been in Europe if 16:9 rules that strong now. I personally think that SD 4:3 is still to stay for a while in Europe. (I´m moving to Spain in the next weeks: They just started to broadcast on a lot of digital local cable TV channels - all SD and 4:3 as I know) And though it´s very nice to conserve the value of your work shooting in 16:9 or even in HD - I´m working on a low budget and I have to think in terms of here and now. My big leap will be when I jump to RED but that will be within one year. So what to do in the meantime? My personal answer: I´ll save the budget, get a DVX and shoot nice footage in SD and most probably in 4:3.
 
to joe 1008,
If you're coming to Barcelona, feel free to get in touch. I'm a proud DVX100B owner, dreaming of RED, so, we'll have a lot to talk about :)
 
Hello nenaD!

In fact I'm in Barcelona from the second half of September on. I sent you a private message some days ago. Check it out. Espero que nos vemos pronto!
 
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