Barry_Green
Moderator
Don't bother with the Ninja for the AF100, get the Samurai instead (if you're wanting an Atomos product). The Samurai has several advantages over the Ninja when used with an AF100.
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Mike Harvey
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You can edit ProRes in CS5.5, even on a PC. You just need to have the latest version of Quicktime player installed on your computer
Orlando McNulty
Active member
Why don't you ditch the dr100 and buy a Pix 220 or 240. It would be killing two (or more) birds with one stone, and probably give you the best all around quality. Sound devices is one of the best companies in the business as far as I have found, especially their recorders.
I'm saving up currently to buy a 240 for this very reason.
Ooh that does look pretty fly the 220, so that does audio as well im guessing? Do you own it? Would I plug the microphones etc and record directly into that as well? (and if so I imagine audio quality should be slightly better then recording in camera? Although it has been pretty decent so far..)
Shooter
Veteran
Just something worth factoring in for anyone considering external recorders.
"Co$t$... over and above the purchase of the external recording device"
These costs are not inconsiderable and might include: adjustable mounting arms, rods, rod brackets, cheese plates, cables(expensive), batteries, cases, cards, drives, docking stations, card readers, additional HD space for larger files ......
Like buying an AF102 - they are a body only and need a heap of additional investment to make them do anything or be workable practically.
Just thought I would tell y'all ( from my own current experience)!
"Co$t$... over and above the purchase of the external recording device"
These costs are not inconsiderable and might include: adjustable mounting arms, rods, rod brackets, cheese plates, cables(expensive), batteries, cases, cards, drives, docking stations, card readers, additional HD space for larger files ......
Like buying an AF102 - they are a body only and need a heap of additional investment to make them do anything or be workable practically.
Just thought I would tell y'all ( from my own current experience)!
Orlando McNulty
Active member
The audio on the pix series will be unrivaled. It's the same pres and limiting system as on the 744 and 788t. I think you can record 4 channels if you pipe in the audio from the camera through the hdmi or the hd sdi, and simultaneously record with the 2 onboard preamps... Not totally sure about that, but I know you can set the hdmi and hd sdi to carry camera audio, so I don't see why not.
The Pix 220 and 240 are great (from what I saw at IBC and BVE North) - better than the Samurai in terms of build quality. I think the 220 is a non-starter, though, purely because there is no control to start record from the camera (HDMI won't read timecode). Therefore you have to record separately, and there will be no matching file recorded to the SD cards in camera. For this reason alone, you should be looking at the Pix 240 if you have the cash, or otherwise the Samurai, which IMO is still a decent product.
Barry_Green
Moderator
PIX 220 is HDMI-only. PIX 240 has both HDMI and HD-SDI. If at all possible, I would encourage people to use SDI for recording instead of HDMI for many reasons (such as Tom mentions).
Shooter
Veteran
The Pix 240 has loop thru and one can input SDI and loop out SDI & HDMI. The 220 is HDMI only (and wont trigger record or record TC)
My Samurai arrives today. I believe it Inputs and Outputs like the Pix240.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Well, except that the Samurai is HD-SDI only, so it can loop through the SDI but obviously it can't simultaneously output SDI & HDMI because it doesn't have HDMI at all.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Shooter, are you going to have a chance to put a Samurai up against a PIX 240? I think that's the fight of the century, right there, for external recorders. Would be very interesting to know if the PIX is worth the additional thousand bucks. I'd probably still go with the PIX anyway just for the sound recording features, but I'm sure a lot of folks here would really like to know if the Samurai makes for a viable, valid alternative at a grand less...
mkfotos.com
Well-known member
Exactly what I'd like to see, that and a review of the 240's audio capabilities.
Shooter
Veteran
I would doubt there is any "quality" of image that would make it worth the extra bucks.
But ...I know already that I would choose the SDPix 240 over and above the Samurai. Its a more feature rich device, better build and the operational (os and menu) are superior. Not sure I would have ever used it as the direct connect audio recording device though.
I also know that the Samurai will meet my needs and the dollar$ saved are easily spent elsewhere ...where the need is con$tant! eg $1000 is 3 SSD's.
I now have the Samurai as of 20 minutes ago. I am charging the batteries and will be testing it later.
I am going to be very satisfied with it functionally ( it is pretty cool) ... but most important ...having the security of dual record on every shoot is a biggie for me.
But ...I know already that I would choose the SDPix 240 over and above the Samurai. Its a more feature rich device, better build and the operational (os and menu) are superior. Not sure I would have ever used it as the direct connect audio recording device though.
I also know that the Samurai will meet my needs and the dollar$ saved are easily spent elsewhere ...where the need is con$tant! eg $1000 is 3 SSD's.
I now have the Samurai as of 20 minutes ago. I am charging the batteries and will be testing it later.
I am going to be very satisfied with it functionally ( it is pretty cool) ... but most important ...having the security of dual record on every shoot is a biggie for me.
Shooter
Veteran
I am going to tell you all that I love this Samurai...a lot.
I love the functionality, the speedy easy workflow thru to post, the file naming protocol....
I love recording direct to SSD's and offloading from them as well. (Lightning fast)
I feel it is going to be my primary record device and the internal SD cards will be my back ups ( except for off speed work)
Doing exactly what I wanted it to do in every respect
Sweeeeet.....
Couple of things .. its a bit Mac-centric connection wise.
It has those tiny HD-SDI connectors( with the tiny bayonets) and an adapetr cable that maybe fragile. ( Will fabricate a patch panel to sort this)
Cant wait to hit the Resolve and Flame Suite to check out the post advantages that I know will be there. ( especially skin tone grading).
I love the functionality, the speedy easy workflow thru to post, the file naming protocol....
I love recording direct to SSD's and offloading from them as well. (Lightning fast)
I feel it is going to be my primary record device and the internal SD cards will be my back ups ( except for off speed work)
Doing exactly what I wanted it to do in every respect
Sweeeeet.....
Couple of things .. its a bit Mac-centric connection wise.
It has those tiny HD-SDI connectors( with the tiny bayonets) and an adapetr cable that maybe fragile. ( Will fabricate a patch panel to sort this)
Cant wait to hit the Resolve and Flame Suite to check out the post advantages that I know will be there. ( especially skin tone grading).
Shooter
Veteran
I doubt it and I have not been there yet with my early test and familiarisation.... but here was my latest receipt (today) from Atomos on the subject: