Recommended frame rate for the HMC150

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Deer Film

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I have been shooting Conferences and speakers using 1080 and 59.94 interlaced fps. Never had a problem with this as I export out to DVD or 1080HD for youtube or web. Is there a better option? Seems easy to edit with.
I just wanted to check if I have it set up right.
 
Most if not all of the current digital cams will perform better shooting progressive. There are many progressive flavors, but for event video coverage, I would use 1080/p30. Others would shoot everything in 24p. 1080 will give you better IQ, but 720 will give you longer record times and probably not be a factor for a conference shoot.

Grant
 
I wouldn't shoot 30P unless you want a "weird cadence" to your video. 30P is not the same as 30 frames(60 fields) in the SD days. I saw a lot of 30P in the earlier days of HD shot by mistake. I've also seen a lot of 30P shot on purpose and it still doesn't look good/right to me. In regards to HD, If you want a 'film look', shoot 24(23.98), if you want it to look like video, shoot 60(59.94).
 
Could you explain the difference I would see with 1080 30p vs 1080 60i? And for editing, what would the pros and cons be. I see on my replies that ggrantly is for 1080p and Run&Gun is for 1080 60i. Run&Gun, you mentioned weird cadence, what is that exactly? The look I am after is educational type of videos, live event, and training. So far 1080 60i is working good and no problem in editing. Ggrantly, you mentioned that cameras perform better at 30p. Curious to know what that is about.

Thanks to all that reply. I have shot some good video on my settings, but my knowledge of other options and how it all works is not to great. It seems like both of you have some great insight into this and it probably depends on the type of setting and effect a person is after.

Thank you again, I will have to try to do some testing on this to see differences.
 
DF, don't get me wrong, I'm all for progressive(I shoot mostly 720/60P), but if you're wanting your footage to look like 'video', you should shoot 1080/60i(or 720/60P). 30P is going to look VERY close to 24P('film look'), but not quite. I've never been a fan of 30P because it looks strange to my eye. My MO has always been(unless I'm shooting 'off-speed') 60 for 'video' and 24 for 'film'. Any other frame rates I use are going to be used for over or under cranking.

Hope that helps.
 
Like I said, there will be opinions on this, so to the op, do some testing and find what makes you happy. And if you don't need the very best IQ the cam can produce, agree with run&gun that 720/60 can work very well.
 
Found some interesting videos explaining this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vSbIJJdng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avvh0iH2xSg

One guy placed these in order from greatest to least, 1080 60p, 720 60p, then 1080 60i (I wonder where 1080 30p is placed)
Kind of weird to think that 720 60p would be better or the same as 1080 60i. I always thought it would be better to film 1080 so that if I need to crop something, it is better to work with that instead of 720.
Also the first video mentioned that for computer screens and youtube and internet, that progressive is better.
But most TV stuff is in interlaced. Not sure what he meant by what shows for tv?

This is what I assume without testing, the best would be 1080 60p. But, my good ol HMC150 only has 1080 30p or 720 60p. I assume if I am shooting something I want to do slow mo in, to go with 60p, but for conference and speakers/interviews would 1080 30p be just as good and better then 1080 60i. (RG mentioned it is not a good idea, rather go 720 60p)
When I film people moving and speaking, I like shooting with 1080 so I can crop them later in editing.
Most of my clients want 1080HD for web and youtube. Not sure if they would know the difference if it was 720 60p.

It seems both of you agree on 60p is the best way to go. I will have to look at the ac160, or hopefully Panasonic will have a new model soon.
In the mean time I will shoot some test shots.

Is progressive or interlaced better for Green Screen?

And I also shoot a lot of interviews with my lighting from a T8 Daylight Florescent bulbs. Not sure if that would make a difference.

Side question, if I had a camera like Ac160, and shot in 1080 60p, and I used my HMC150 also in the shoot and want to mix and edit both videos together, what format would I set the hMC150 at so the coincide well together? 720 60p or wouldn't it matter.

A lot to think about and test. All my clients so far have been happy with 1080 60i and never complained of interlacing artifacts on youtube or the web or with their computer, but I am always looking to improve.
thanks a lot for your wisdom.
 
I shoot conferences and slow paced events in 1080 30p.
Talking heads in 1080 24p and any commercial where I'm trying to get a film look in 24p and change the gamma settings.

I dont like 1080 interlaced video for web of if going to DVD.
I just don't like interlaced video at all :)

30p progressive footage can be converted to 60i if needed.

I like 1080 30p because it's easier when dealing with motion than 24p yet still has somewhat of a filmic look and it's the highest progressive setting the hmc 150 can record. It also allows for some reframing in post if final delivery is 720 or 480.

i wish the 150s could do 1080 60p like my other cameras but they can't. And really 60p is overkill for slow paced conferences anyway.

but if everyone's happy with 1080 60i, do you even need to change?
 
Sometimes I use 2 or 3 cameras filming a conference. If some cameras are set at 1080 60i and my HMC150 set at 1080 30p what type of issues might I have in post. When I open a new file in Vegas, you are asked what template to use. How would your work post with different fps or is there no issue?

Before I have used stop frame animation 10 fps, 3ds max 30 fps animation, mixed with 1080 60i and no issues.
 
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