RealStream Andromeda
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mickeloaf
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Re: RealStream Andromeda
They just posted a bunch of new frame grabs. Samples of uprezzing to HD, and frame for frame coparisons while changing the f stops...
www.reel-stream.com
They just posted a bunch of new frame grabs. Samples of uprezzing to HD, and frame for frame coparisons while changing the f stops...
www.reel-stream.com
Re: RealStream Andromeda
It's a bit hard to compare the uncompressed/compressed quality from those grabs because the optimal exposure looks different for tape vs. uncompressed. The uprez does look pretty good though. With fewer compression artifacts--it should. I've put in a request to beta test and/or review the system for DVXuser.com. It would be really nice to put this system through some thorough tests.
It's a bit hard to compare the uncompressed/compressed quality from those grabs because the optimal exposure looks different for tape vs. uncompressed. The uprez does look pretty good though. With fewer compression artifacts--it should. I've put in a request to beta test and/or review the system for DVXuser.com. It would be really nice to put this system through some thorough tests.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: RealStream Andromeda
Voids the warranty huh?
No thanks. (maybe after the Warranty expires)
Voids the warranty huh?
No thanks. (maybe after the Warranty expires)
BLUESPIDER
DVXuser Ninja
Re: RealStream Andromeda
It looks really nice but it sounds like maybe too much trouble. You have to color correct everytime. I'll just wait till this product improves.
It looks really nice but it sounds like maybe too much trouble. You have to color correct everytime. I'll just wait till this product improves.
Re: RealStream Andromeda
This is definitely not a product if you're looking for an off the shelf solution. I don't think it's ever going to be a run and gun product. It's not so much color correcting as developing a complete workflow to deal with the whole raw data capture to output process. It's going to take some work and some thought to make the system fit your needs, but most of the work will be up front. Once you have your workflow down, it should be simple enough to have a template in your NLE, grading, or compositing application that adjusts the color, gamma, and other parameters to your taste.
This is definitely not a product if you're looking for an off the shelf solution. I don't think it's ever going to be a run and gun product. It's not so much color correcting as developing a complete workflow to deal with the whole raw data capture to output process. It's going to take some work and some thought to make the system fit your needs, but most of the work will be up front. Once you have your workflow down, it should be simple enough to have a template in your NLE, grading, or compositing application that adjusts the color, gamma, and other parameters to your taste.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: RealStream Andromeda
Whats the deal with the first shot?
http://www.reel-stream.com/img3/cap9_DV.tif
Its overexposed, almost dutch in angle and shot through a screen door. It's like it's a 'before' photo to show how crappy it looks without their final stamp on it. It reminds me of the late night "Miracle Makeup" infomercials that show a before photo in the worst possible lighting and then the after shot is under Softlight.
They should let someone who knows how to use the DVX get behind it and take the before shot and it would probaly be indistinguishable.
This looks to me like another way to spend money instead of concentrating on what really matters (story, production, talent and execution). How much of a difference is this making to say the average viewer? Probaly not an ounce.
Whats the deal with the first shot?
http://www.reel-stream.com/img3/cap9_DV.tif
Its overexposed, almost dutch in angle and shot through a screen door. It's like it's a 'before' photo to show how crappy it looks without their final stamp on it. It reminds me of the late night "Miracle Makeup" infomercials that show a before photo in the worst possible lighting and then the after shot is under Softlight.
They should let someone who knows how to use the DVX get behind it and take the before shot and it would probaly be indistinguishable.
This looks to me like another way to spend money instead of concentrating on what really matters (story, production, talent and execution). How much of a difference is this making to say the average viewer? Probaly not an ounce.
mickeloaf
Well-known member
Re: RealStream Andromeda
Note from the Reel-stream site:
"NOTE: Please understand that because of the added dynamic range of the Andromeda output, if the camera operator adjusts the controls as to take full advantage of this dynamic range, the regular video recorded to tape will probably be overexposed (clipped to white) in some areas. In our experience it is still perfectly usable as editing footage, but if there is a possibility of wanting to use the tape video for the final product, the operator must adjust exposure for the regular camera video accordingly."
I don't know about everyone else, but for me, I see the primary use for this device as achieving near perfect composites with a green screen.
Note from the Reel-stream site:
"NOTE: Please understand that because of the added dynamic range of the Andromeda output, if the camera operator adjusts the controls as to take full advantage of this dynamic range, the regular video recorded to tape will probably be overexposed (clipped to white) in some areas. In our experience it is still perfectly usable as editing footage, but if there is a possibility of wanting to use the tape video for the final product, the operator must adjust exposure for the regular camera video accordingly."
I don't know about everyone else, but for me, I see the primary use for this device as achieving near perfect composites with a green screen.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: RealStream Andromeda
mickeloaf
I noticed that particular point. I wonder how this will work though? How can you adjust the image how you want it to? It seems it will no longer be a WYSIWYG operation.
Those shots are beyond being 'clipped' white. They are dramtacially overexposed to almost flaring.
Anyone have insight on this?
mickeloaf
I noticed that particular point. I wonder how this will work though? How can you adjust the image how you want it to? It seems it will no longer be a WYSIWYG operation.
Those shots are beyond being 'clipped' white. They are dramtacially overexposed to almost flaring.
Anyone have insight on this?
hvpz
Well-known member
Re: RealStream Andromeda
[quote author=John Hudson link=board=Links;num=1100108705;start=30#35 date=11/16/04 at 07:37:09]
Those shots are beyond being 'clipped' white. They are dramtacially overexposed to almost flaring.
Anyone have insight on this?[/quote]
An hypothesis, John.
Those examples coming from the begining/middle of development.
I guess at this time, Juan didn't already implemented the vga output and by consequence : shooting was a little bit hazardous.
Especially when there is a so big difference between the picture straight from the ccd's and the picture processed by the dvx to dv format.
The Juan's mod totally bypass the dvx processing.
I bet, shooting with the Juan's mod oblige you to forget most of you know about this camera and force you to act as it was a brand new camera.
edit : Juan said that the enhancement is about 2fstop so the dv footage will always be overexposed
[quote author=John Hudson link=board=Links;num=1100108705;start=30#35 date=11/16/04 at 07:37:09]
Those shots are beyond being 'clipped' white. They are dramtacially overexposed to almost flaring.
Anyone have insight on this?[/quote]
An hypothesis, John.
Those examples coming from the begining/middle of development.
I guess at this time, Juan didn't already implemented the vga output and by consequence : shooting was a little bit hazardous.
Especially when there is a so big difference between the picture straight from the ccd's and the picture processed by the dvx to dv format.
The Juan's mod totally bypass the dvx processing.
I bet, shooting with the Juan's mod oblige you to forget most of you know about this camera and force you to act as it was a brand new camera.
edit : Juan said that the enhancement is about 2fstop so the dv footage will always be overexposed
mickeloaf
Well-known member
Re: RealStream Andromeda
Well, apparently the device that will control the flow of raw bits to your hard disk has a VGA port on it. I think the idea is that you have to plug in an external field monitor, or you can shoot some frames, and view it on your laptop.
From what I've seen of the process, it would go something like this:
1. Calibrate camera for best image of raw output.
2. capture to hard disk.
3. Capture overexposed tape (with sound) data and raw frames to NLE side by side
4. perform color correction on raw data.
5. Edit both timeslines together for to find two corresponding frames. Once that is done, the DV clip can be deleted and the audio is automatically matched up to the raw footage.
I'm not sure but there could be more work involved such as sizing the image since the andromeda captures a larger CCD size. Also, the size and processing power needed for those large raw individual frames could make slow going of it, don't know yet.
If anyone thinks they will be shooting mainstream footage with this thing will probably be sorely dissapointed, as the effort may not be worth it.
However, if you need to capture 4:4:4 data without in camera compression and processing for some specialized work, or short sequences of special effects, this device might deliver.
Well, apparently the device that will control the flow of raw bits to your hard disk has a VGA port on it. I think the idea is that you have to plug in an external field monitor, or you can shoot some frames, and view it on your laptop.
From what I've seen of the process, it would go something like this:
1. Calibrate camera for best image of raw output.
2. capture to hard disk.
3. Capture overexposed tape (with sound) data and raw frames to NLE side by side
4. perform color correction on raw data.
5. Edit both timeslines together for to find two corresponding frames. Once that is done, the DV clip can be deleted and the audio is automatically matched up to the raw footage.
I'm not sure but there could be more work involved such as sizing the image since the andromeda captures a larger CCD size. Also, the size and processing power needed for those large raw individual frames could make slow going of it, don't know yet.
If anyone thinks they will be shooting mainstream footage with this thing will probably be sorely dissapointed, as the effort may not be worth it.
However, if you need to capture 4:4:4 data without in camera compression and processing for some specialized work, or short sequences of special effects, this device might deliver.
Hayden_Rivers
Active member
Re: RealStream Andromeda
I would just like to see some moving footage. It seems like a really cool device, but I wonder where it fits into the whole DVX vs. HDV vs. Homemade HDCinema world. I suspect that if they can get a smooth workflow, it might be an excellent alternative. And if I'm not mistaken, it's allows for higher resolution (although I wonder what you'd master to).
I would just like to see some moving footage. It seems like a really cool device, but I wonder where it fits into the whole DVX vs. HDV vs. Homemade HDCinema world. I suspect that if they can get a smooth workflow, it might be an excellent alternative. And if I'm not mistaken, it's allows for higher resolution (although I wonder what you'd master to).
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: RealStream Andromeda
Seems to me by the time they get this figured out we'll get our HD/24p camera under $5000.00
(We can hope cant we?)
Seems to me by the time they get this figured out we'll get our HD/24p camera under $5000.00
(We can hope cant we?)