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JASONS

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Ok, hello all.....

Love this new way to do product design on the fly, directly communicating to your consumers. :)

Without a doubt, the push to a new camera system is taking place, no matter which way you see it.

Dreaming (and salavating) aside, I want to get down to some business about putting down a deposit. I have read a lot but not everything, so excuse me if i missed something. An overview or a link at this stage will be good for anyone coming in anyway.

Will the red be ready to run when it is released? Obviously it will work, but what i am asking is, will it be ready to run? Say i put down a deposit and in April (fingers crossed) I receive the camera. Ok. I get the camera delivered
and open the box. My heart stops (but luckely boots back in) I pull out, what is something I have been waiting for for years.

Now at this point I will be able to turn it on. (it fires up) but will it be ready to shoot footage? Do I have to organise my own storage or do i have to wait....

I hope you can see what I am saying.

Viva la red
 
Well, at the very least, you'll need to also buy a digital magazine (under $1000 for the RED-DRIVE, an 80 GB+ hard drive version), a lens (various options, depending on what lens mounts RED has available on day one) and maybe some batteries (it's not clear what might be included, or whether RED will offer its own battery system at all or just tell people to go buy batteries from Anton Bauer or whatever).

You're probably looking at $20-25K for a useable setup at the low end. This can go up almost as far as you'd like. (There are $60K cine lenses, that wouldn't be overkill by any means for shooting 4K.)
 
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I hope there is some more confirmation before Oct 31.

Taking on an investment requires knowledge of certain things.

Like: what will i be getting?
How much will it cost to get it running? (ok so you partly answered this)

I find it hard to invest in something without knowing these things.

I will be looking at borrowing and i know no one is going to lend if they do not know the answer to these questions.

Say i borrow 25,000 and i get the camera. I will have to start making repayments straight away. I want to be sure i can.

As it is, it's a bit fuzzy. I really beleive that Red should make some commitments here. I'm not interested in conjecture or forum guessing games.- and i do not mean to be rude but rather, straight to the point.

Not saying that time of release should be commited, just, what am I getting for my outlay? and what will be available on release?

I love this camera and i love the concept but proper business planning and sensibility takes precidence.

I am sure we will find out a lot more information before the release but that seems redundant considering the Oct. 31st deadline. It just seems like a waste of time if i get to April and find out my business model is not suited. Sure, i get my money back...but logic dictakes, isn't it better to work out the deal before money changes hands? Even a deposit that is refundable?

Please excuse me if this information has already been given by the RED TEAM. If that is the case, maybe a sticky?
 
Jasons (are there more that one of you?!!!)

This is a gamble isn't it? The things promised by the camera have made many question it's viability. Putting down the refundable deposit now is taking a punt on when/ in what form, it arrives. So far having seen the Red team hit their targets and seen samples I've put my money down.

The fact it's refundable is what should answer all your worries. When specs and prices are released you change your mind if it doesn't fit your finance. That way you've lost a bit of interest on $1000 for a couple of months.No biggie.

If however the price fits and you're in the queue and it turns out to be all that it promises then you're sorted.

If you're this worried don't do it - wait till this time next year when it's tried and tested and out there. You may or may not be paying more and be on a long waiting list...But that's the reward for having faith isn't it?

Jeff Brown
 
JASONS, some folks would say you're right to be cautious about handing over money for something you still have questions about. But I don't have that reticence, despite some remaining questions about the camera, because the Red company and camera have told me all I need to know to desperately want in on this technology early. The remaining details are just icing on the cake. And I for one am not worried about the company absconding with my cash (a small up-front fee in the grand scheme of things anyhow). The return-on-deposit guarantee is a better deal than I've heard of in a long time. But if you have misgivings just wait. The word will be out on the street very quickly after the camera's release. Just wait until then. There may be a real rush on the camera if it turns out to be all we hope it will be, in which case, your wait for a camera might be prolonged at that point. But you can't have it both ways: invest a theoretically no-risk deposit now and get a camera before we know all the specs, or listen to the words in your own post and just wait. After all, there is usually a premium paid for early adoption of a new technology (even if the price goes up for Red camera in the short term, all such technology will drop in price in the coming years). You could buy a camera right now that is a better known quantity and wait things out. I'm putting my faith and my $1000 refundable-deposit bet that this camera is going to be more bang for my buck than any camera currently available, however.
 
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Thankyou for your kind words of encouragement...
Unfortunatly jason was taken so my user name became jasons.
(some people would argue there is two of me)
However, this is really aimed at the red team.
I am sure Oakley have had to borrow money and know the concept of a business plan.
And i think it is a fair question.
I am not worried about risk. For sure there's always a risk when you hand your money over to someone.
However, I am worried about resources for my growing company and $1000 could well be used in other areas instead of laying idle. it's about planning for the future and the upcoming year is very very important. I will also be laying off buying gear and therfore renting. So there are many factors involved.
The question I ask to isn't really that difficult to ask if aligned with the road map. I'm not asking for promises. I'm just wanting to know the direction:

When Red ships, will a 35 still camera mount be avaiable? Will the storage be available. ie: will the low budget model be ready to run?

Will i be able to sell my rights to a cam if i find it doesn't suit my business needs?

I'm sure a lot of you that have layed down your money would equally like to know these questions ?

They are valid and there is no real reason why they can't be answered. Or maybe there is? I think only the red team can answer this one and I know they are busy (I heard they were making something), so maybe with some patience, we can wait for a reply.....
 
Jasons: all those questions do not really matter since you can always bail out. The question you need to answer is whether you can spend $1000 now or not. If you can miss $1000 then you can do a reservation. Otherwise wait when the camera is available
 
Yes, Jason you gotta remember your not making an investment.. yet. Red is not selling cameras yet, they are selling reservations. By the time you need to fork over your $17,500 investment, you will know the costs associated. Your just making a fully refundable down payment on an investment.
 
JASONS said:
Will i be able to sell my rights to a cam if i find it doesn't suit my business needs?
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Hi Jason

I can answer one of your questions. On the reservation form it states that "Reservations are not transferable"

Martin
 
Reservation transfer?

Reservation transfer?

Reservations are not transferable. However, if you cancel your reservation and send back the "R" your $1,000 reservation deposit will be refunded, no questions asked. But you can't trade in reservation "futures" nor transfer them.

The point of the reservation system is to offer an opportunity to lock in a specific camera from the manufacturing sequence. It also lets RED measure demand for the camera and hence the optimum manufacturing capacity.

If for any reason you are not comfortable with placing a deposit, we respect that, and look forward to showing you a finished camera at an upcoming trade show. Or, if you wish to cancel a reservation, we respect that decision too.

For the many who have placed a reservation, our sincere thanks for showing confidence in the RED project and team. We are all working like crazy to make sure that your faith in us can be repaid in full.
 
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