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J.R. Hudson

J.R. Hudson

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Okay its not that important.  I just wanted to calm some waters as the release of the Xl2 is causing quite the excitement and panic.  All over the NET people are running around like maniacs trying to get to the bottom of this XL2 -vs- DVX100 conundrum.

Including threads like this:

http://www.creativecow.net/index.php?forumid=59

I want to say for the Record that I could care less if the XL2 is better or worse than my DVX100.  I bought my DVX almost a year ago for one deciding factor:

24p

I am in no market for another camera at this time due to all practicality.  I guess what is pissing me off are the people that are starting threads or writing threads in other forums and Generalizing "Those Dvxuser.com people...." or "Those Pani guys are bashing the poor little Xl2..."

I am stoked that another camera hit the market in 24p.  For the record I want to say "I welcome Canons Xl2."  Someone put it to me this way once "Give one guy a brush and he'll create ****; give another guy the same brush and he'll give us a Rembrandt."

Pick the camera that best suits your needs guys.  There are very few of us here (And Im not one of them) whose techincal knowledge and skills warrant such scrutiny over the details.  

Sorry.  Venting.  

I am not threatned, I am not afraid, I am not "SHOOK and SAD that nobody will care about them or gawk at their equipment any longer..."

Bunch of maniacs.  

THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!
 
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Well I think some people cant se the difference between discussing the pros and cons with bashing...

Lets face it there aint gonna be a perfect camcorder for under 5000$ the comming years its always gonna be a compromise. Just because we dont think the XL2 is the best cam ever designed (according to its specs) doesn´t mean it aint gonna be a good cam.

I´m mostly intrested how good it can interact with my anamorfed DVX. If the pictures will look alike i can create an intresting production value. Becaue it has the advantage of 20x zoom.


If annyone wonders why my postings has increased by 300% has nothing to to with my need to bash XL2, just that im boored on the nightshift here. This is one of the few communitys that has some activity at night ;)
 
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I think too many people are mistaking the 'conversation of pros and cons' and 'what we would like to have seen' -vs- 'we've already seeen that' as BASHING.

Yeah, this board is always active. Cracks me up.
 
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I agree, it's strange, I still don't get the bashing thing. Maybe it's just the difference in individual perception of what constitutes 'bashing' i.e. a statement like 'well, it's a bit more than I can afford right now so I'm going with the DVX' can be taken like 'OH, so you're saying it's overpriced aren't you?!?'.

(Maybe that's an extreme hyper critical statement on my part but something along those lines)

It's just a different tool and I'd like to personally own both potentially (again, no ones seen footage yet, that's the real test. I'm sure it'll be great however imo, Canon doesn't make crap, maybe not to everyones tastes but one persons BMW is anothers tricycle) , just as SLR photographers have several cameras whether it be for capture differences or some physical trait of the device that makes it more appropriate for one shoot than another etc.

(*) Competetion is good for all of us.

(*) I think the quality will be comparable, possibly better in some areas, maybe not so good in others but a great tool all around, maybe with the potential to mix DVX / XL2 footage for an artistic style possibly in one project. (In a feature or a DVD where 'behind the scenes' was shot for the aesthetic of one and the feature for the aesthetic of the other, etc)

(*) What one considers bashing is just simply maybe a discussion of points viewed to critically however 'long live opinions!'. Some people are more passionate than others and this may be another MAC vs PC topic from now on.
 
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When i bought my DVX. I read everything I could about the cam. Both the good things and the negative. That help alot to deside that this was the cam i wanted. And thanks to that I knowed its weak sides, I wasnt dissapointed when i got it. I was even stunned how good it actually was when i shoot in right lightning condition.

So the more we discuss these cams the more will we help buyers to decide what they should buy.

But of course a good test will give greater info.
 
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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=XL2;num=1090190507;start=0#0 date=07/18/04 at 15:41:47]"Give one guy a brush and he'll create ****; give another guy the same brush and he'll give us a Rembrandt."[/quote]

Especially true if the second guy's name is Rembrandt... :D
 
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[quote author=Terry_Lasater link=board=XL2;num=1090190507;start=0#8 date=07/19/04 at 08:30:22]XL2 sucks!  :p ::) ;D

I just had to go against the grain...™  ;)[/quote]



XL2 SUCKS BIG TIME!
 
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i read that thread at COW. how immature of them to take notice and be worried about it. then the next guy asked "how old are you?" that was a funny follow up.
 
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I do think we try to be more mature here -- heck, go read the forums at dv.com if you want to get into some flame wars.

I have seen much caution here, and very little brand "flag-waving". One would expect a bunch of DVX users to want to flay the XL2, but not this group -- heck, I'd like to buy one, if it proves to be worth it! Let's give it a chance to prove itself.
 
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I concur Barry.

I actually hope the XL2 does kick ass so we dont have to see anymore 'films' made with the XL1.

LMAO

Sorry, I couldnt resist.
 
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"... heck, I'd like to buy one, if it proves to be worth it!  Let's give it a chance to prove itself. " dixit Barry Green


...that's also the way i see it.

It's only a tool, if it is inferior to the DVX100A, then i have no interest.
But IF it is better...then i'll give it a very close look.
 
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you know... i think we all just hoped for a little better xl2.. something to push the envelope. instead, we got Canon straighten up with DVX100A and not even an inch farther. my little frustration is to see how Panasonic, especially now, doesn't really have a good enough reason to bother with a new DVX200 in the near future, and i can only guess that this point of view is shared by many of those who sounded somewhat bitter about xl2.
if anyone is fool enough to blame dvx users of being religiously attached to their camera.. well.. so be it.
if xl2 would offer something new, i would be the first to buy one.
 
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