Raylight Again

Barry_Green said:
Axio apparently only supports DVCPRO-HD through firewire capture. No MXF support at all. No tapeless support.

Frankly I don't understand why any HVX user would be considering Axio. For less money you could buy a totally stoked Mac with FCP and get better support and multiple-stream realtime, or a totally dialed-in Edius system and get realtime editing and full P2/MXF integration.

With Axio, as I understand it (and could be wrong, someone correct me if I am), if you're doing a production where you are offloading cards, and you offload maybe 20 cards per day, then when you get back to your Axio system you'd have to actually COPY the folders from the hard disk BACK ONTO YOUR P2 CARDS, one at a time, and then play the footage in the camera and digitize the footage into the Axio system.

That's insane.

And for all that, you get to work with Premiere Pro? And pay $5,000 to $11,000 for the privilege?

No thanks, that's just nutty. Give me a Mac or Edius any time as compared to that.

Understood (and I couldn't agree more). It's time to move on. What's your take on processing DVCPROHD on an AVID platform?

Thanks again.
 
HVXguy said:
Listen to the Barry Man!!
I wanted to buy AXIO but went FCP.
I might go back and give Edius a look.
Edius also has hardware options like the AXIO.
Don't fall for the Matrox marketing!!

I really don't wish to continue with any Matrox product, as I've had some interesting customer service experiences there.

I intend to build a suite that is line with industry standards, so I want to clearly understand my options.

Thanks.
 
otari_99 said:
I really don't wish to continue with any Matrox product, as I've had some interesting customer service experiences there.

I intend to build a suite that is line with industry standards, so I want to clearly understand my options.

Thanks.

I fought many a Matrox battle! I don't know anymore what is best, it seems like you need at least a windows and a mac set-up. I am only using a Mac laptop right now. It gets the job done for what I need. No clients hanging over my shoulder. And it seems like I could run out tomorrow with a project file and my external hard drive and go to a post facility to tweak what I need and layoff to what I need as well. Thats the plan anyway!!
 
HVXguy said:
I fought many a Matrox battle! I don't know anymore what is best, it seems like you need at least a windows and a mac set-up. I am only using a Mac laptop right now. It gets the job done for what I need. No clients hanging over my shoulder. And it seems like I could run out tomorrow with a project file and my external hard drive and go to a post facility to tweak what I need and layoff to what I need as well. Thats the plan anyway!!

Ah, another satisfied Matrox customer.


What type of external drive are you using?

Does your laptop have a slot for P2's?

Sorry about the ignorant questions. I'm MAC deficient.

Thanks.
 
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otari_99 said:
Ah, another satisfied Matrox customer.


What type of external drive are you using?

Does your laptop have a slot for P2's?

Sorry about the ignorant questions. I'm MAC deficient.

Thanks.

I am just starting with Macs as well. I have the 17" PB with the built-in slot. And I have a G-Raid 300 gig external using the Firewire 800 port. I can get full-frame playback on the laptop screen. At this point all my work is converted to computer files or DVD. Eventually I will get some sort of desktop system to replace the Matrox.
 
HVXguy said:
I am just starting with Macs as well. I have the 17" PB with the built-in slot. And I have a G-Raid 300 gig external using the Firewire 800 port. I can get full-frame playback on the laptop screen. At this point all my work is converted to computer files or DVD. Eventually I will get some sort of desktop system to replace the Matrox.

You've made some good points. I keep thinking "pie in the sky", but maybe I should get what I need for now and leave room for expansion.

Thanks again.
 
I've been using Raylight/Premiere Pro 2, and I love it. I did try out the Edius demo. I really liked Edius, and it's P2 workflow is better than Adobe's at the moment. But, Raylight is a VERY workable solution (especially since you can change the quality resolution of the codec on the fly...edit in low/medium quality, then render at high quality). The reason I didn't switch to Edius, is because I already know Premiere, and I use the whole procudtion suite ALOT! The new Adobe Dynamic Link is very valuable to me. Plus, I hope that the next update of Premiere will have MXF support. I figure hopefully they will see what FCP, Avid, and Edius have done right and wrong, and make a great solution. But, in the meantime I am content with my Raytight workflow.
 
So is there a small program that can convert a raylight AVI to a Photo JPEG or DV50 Quicktime file, with timecode and audiotracks intact?
 
Don't know about that. You could use Vegas to export a Raylight DV50 to Quicktime, but I don't know if you could force the timecode.
 
Oh man, i downloaded that MAtrox codec, installed etc... now Vegas is crasing like crazy. i uninstallled the codec packet, but icant seem to repair vegas. uninstalled and reinstalled vegas 2 or three times...

this is awful.

as of now, the editing segment works fine but the capture program is Completely screwed up.

The program runs but as soon as a DV camera is plugged in it freezez. This lso happens when trying to captur with Virtual Dub and Windows Movie maker. So i figure the Driver was dammaged. How would i go about repairing that?
 
Barry_Green said:
Don't know about that. You could use Vegas to export a Raylight DV50 to Quicktime, but I don't know if you could force the timecode.

Ok, I'm just braining on some kind of intermediate solution to use the 720/50p codec material in FCP and Avid. If we could get some batch tool to convert 720/25p material to a FCP/Avid editable format with timecode, I know a few photographers that would use the HVX-200e for upcoming "small HD" documentary productions. As of now with 1080/25p as the only option, I'm afraid they'll go HDV instead.
One thing is the P2 price/runlenght, but the sheer amount of time they'd use to backup the material, is just too much. At 720/25pn it is much more feasible.

For my own projects I'll shoot 1080/25p and "swap 'till I drop" or DVCPRO 50 if SD.
 
ROne said:
Polar, what do you use as your preset when starting up PP2.0?
Not sure what you are asking. Now with the new Raylight 1.04 release, I actually edit my footage at Full quality mode now (because this new updated version of Raylight is MUCH faster). It does drop a few frames however. So, if I absolutely need real-time, then I switch it to Medium quality. It doesn't matter what your Raylight quality settings are when you start PP 2, because it can be changed on the fly. Usually I start at full quality, and then drop it down to Medium if it gets too sluggish in playback. To change all of these settings go to the "Raylight Control" application (that came with the codec). It is a master setting for all of your Raylight files.
 
MrPolarBare said:
Not sure what you are asking. Now with the new Raylight 1.04 release, I actually edit my footage at Full quality mode now (because this new updated version of Raylight is MUCH faster).

Sorry I was a little vague.

When you open PP - you've have to establish a preset (DV, HDV) etc and specify resolutions.

There is no raylight preset as such. So I'm wondering what you establish as your PP resolution and codec, right at the beginning when defining your new project. Thanks.
 
ROne said:
Sorry I was a little vague.

When you open PP - you've have to establish a preset (DV, HDV) etc and specify resolutions.

There is no raylight preset as such. So I'm wondering what you establish as your PP resolution and codec, right at the beginning when defining your new project. Thanks.
When the "New Project" window pops up, I switch to the "Custom Settings" tab. The I select "Desktop" as my Editing mode. Then all of the other settings depend on what I was shooting. For example, my last shoot was 720/24Pn60P so I chose 23.976 for the timebase, and 1280x720 for the frame size. Then left everything else the same (square pixels, no fields, 48KHz audio, etc).

Then you can render out your edited piece however you want...Quicktime, AVI, WMV HD, etc.
 
I just have one question for you raylight users: Can you put color correcting and other effects on the raylight video clips? How about Magic Bullet? it's a must!.... Appreciation to answerers! ;)
 
Ursa said:
I just have one question for you raylight users: Can you put color correcting and other effects on the raylight video clips? How about Magic Bullet? it's a must!.... Appreciation to answerers! ;)
Yes. There isn't anything "strange" about Raylight. It simply translates the MXF into an AVI file. Anything you can do with you normal AVI you can do with the Raylight AVI. There are abosultely no restrictions when it comes to manipulating the file in whatever program you use.
 
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