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andythefilmer

andythefilmer

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I upgraded to iLife '11 a while back, and I just now accidentally opened iMove from my dock. First thing is see... iMovie now gives you the option of changing your editing timebase from 30p, 24p or 25p. Kind of interesting, though I am sure 95% of Mac video editors are using anything that isn't iMovie.
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Wow -- iMovie supports 24p now? Finally! And Bloom was showing me that it even has skew correction for rolling shutter, and that it works pretty good...
 
Well what do you know.. this just made my night. I just got iMovie 11 last month but hardly used it seeing as I got FCE soon after. Other than it's lack of cc scopes, 24p was the one thing I was missing in Express. iMovie is the last place I would of looked.
 
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This is pretty much means that the next version of FCE will be able to edit 24p... Yay!
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Are we expecting a new FCE? I mean, I know it hasn't had an update in over 3 years now, which should say something. With the improvements they're making on iMovie at this point, I wonder if they're going to let that absorb FCE's market...

And if you look at what's happened to FCE over the years, you'll see that it has lost more than it has gained. It used to ship with SoundTrack (predecessor to STP). Once iMovie and Garageband really came into their own, and Apple focused a little more development on iMovie, FCE took a hit. Of course, they also upped the audio game to STP and started shipping Final Cut Studio, but they didn't keep any "lite" versions of anything with FCE. Only LiveType, with less included media than with FCS, still comes with FCE.
 
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I did a little reading around, it looks like iMovie '11 will support 24p if it's recorded as 24p Native -- so, AF100, HMC150, etc., will all be fine. But it won't support 24p pulldown out of a 60i data stream, so no DVX or DVCPROHD 24p editing, those would still have to be edited as 60i.
 
Makes sense, though. With the DSLR movement catching on in the amateur/hobbyist market, they'd almost have to start supporting native 24p/25p/30p. That's where camera technology is going. But the advanced pulldown removal seems, logically, to be a feature that would remain in the pro-level apps.
 
Barry, that would include the 24p shot from the higher-end consumer cameras, like the Canon HSF100, HV40, etc.?

As for a new FCE, there are always new features to add, though I think it is very good for its price. I of course use pro, but we have 20 or so machines in my high school TV production class running FCE 4, and it certainly gets the job done, but then again, we are shooting on DVX's with the rest of the class knowing about 10% of what FCE can even do... Eventually they will release a new one, perhaps with a new Final Cut Studio. I am currently in 10th grade, and I remember, right when I was getting into video about 4 years ago when I was in 6th grade, I wanted to have Final Cut Studio 2 so badly. Then, FCS3 came out last year, so if FCE 4 has been out for 3 years, then it is due for an upgrade soon. Maybe they will add some better tools for playing back AVCHD, which is very popular now...
 
I can't say for sure, but I would think that it would include those. It appears to depend on how the video is recorded -- if it's recorded as strictly 24fps (i.e., 24p "native") then it would probably work; if it's recorded "over 60i" (i.e., with 3:2 pulldown) then iMovie won't see it as 24p footage. It doesn't appear to recognize or remove pulldown. So it wouldn't work with HVX 24pA footage, or DVX 24p footage, etc.

I would say that it won't work with any DV or tape camera, and won't work with most HDV cameras, but would work with some (although not all) AVCHD cameras. It wouldn't work with the GH1, but I would bet that it would work with the GH2, for example. GH1 uses 3:2 pulldown, so it wouldn't know how to remove that, but the GH2 stores its 24p as "native", so that should work.
 
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