OTHER: PX270 Video from the Engineers Part 2

Thanks for posting. Looks like a great effort from Panasonic. I look forward to trying the IS, the autofocus and the quality of the lens. Everything else looks like you hit it out of the park!
 
Thanks for these Jan! I really like the position of the LCD screen now. I also like the copy of sony´s front cap integrated into the lenshood. I never use the viewfinder and would prefer it mounted to the LCD and a simple slide out shoulder mount integrated into the bottom plate. I use my 250 a lot and hate to lug extra stuff around. No idea which ops Panny asked in Europe and why none of them asked for this? So far the 270 looks like the questioning resulted in " we want these features from the PMW 200". Lets hope, the next model has more ergonomic inventions.
 
timbook2 said:
Thanks for these Jan! I really like the position of the LCD screen now. I also like the copy of sony´s front cap integrated into the lenshood. I never use the viewfinder and would prefer it mounted to the LCD and a simple slide out shoulder mount integrated into the bottom plate. I use my 250 a lot and hate to lug extra stuff around. No idea which ops Panny asked in Europe and why none of them asked for this? So far the 270 looks like the questioning resulted in " we want these features from the PMW 200". Lets hope, the next model has more ergonomic inventions.
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It sounds like you've described the Sony PMW-300.

If Panny put this camera's innards into an HPX600 body, they'd have a really nice, lightweight shoulder cam. Just like the HPX370 and 250: nearly identical cameras in different bodies.
 
It's still a 1/3rd inch chip. Depth of fleid inside is not shallow enough for interviews. Great for run-an-gun. I shot some behind-the-scenes (BTS) for a national spot and my HPX250 was dutching,etc. pretty good for moving shots. But I hated the interviews that had didn't have enough shallow DOF. They never said anything, but I think it would have looked better.
 
vanvideo said:
It sounds like you've described the Sony PMW-300.

If Panny put this camera's innards into an HPX600 body, they'd have a really nice, lightweight shoulder cam. Just like the HPX370 and 250: nearly identical cameras in different bodies.
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That would be called the AJ-PX5000.

Best,

Jan
 
timbook2 said:
Thanks for these Jan! I really like the position of the LCD screen now. I also like the copy of sony´s front cap integrated into the lenshood. I never use the viewfinder and would prefer it mounted to the LCD and a simple slide out shoulder mount integrated into the bottom plate. I use my 250 a lot and hate to lug extra stuff around. No idea which ops Panny asked in Europe and why none of them asked for this? So far the 270 looks like the questioning resulted in " we want these features from the PMW 200". Lets hope, the next model has more ergonomic inventions.
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But it has 4:2:2 at 10 bit and 50MB on an SD card which you cannot do on the Sony. ;-)
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
That would be called the AJ-PX5000.

Best,

Jan
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Not really. The HPX370 was a budget camera, under 10k. I remember it cost around 7k€. And it really Was an HPX250 in a different body: same 1/3 chip, same image, same processing, etc. The PX5000 is a 2/3 chip, higher end model. But if you can make a special deal for us at dvx: PX5000 for 7k€, then I'll agree with you that it's the next 370!:):) I'll agree on what ever you want :)
 
Hi, you said " If Panny put this camera's innards into an HPX600 body, they'd have a really nice, lightweight shoulder cam. Just like the HPX370 and 250: nearly identical cameras in different bodies."

So I assumed you wanted 2/3". Now I see what you wanted was another 1/3", I misunderstood what you said you wanted. Sorry not this year or at least that i am aware of.
 
Happened to be driving by Showcase here in Atlanta this afternoon and decided to stop in and see when they'd be getting the PX270 in. Lo and behold, turns out John Branstetter from Panasonic happened to be there doing a demo for the sales guys. John said they could get the camera in by Monday. Nice!

Got to play with the demo unit a good bit. Lots of interesting little things, really does feel like a full ENG cam in some ways. It is smaller overall than the AC130. The LCD is incredible, even compared to the AC130 (which was quite nice already). It was hooked up to a 17" Panasonic monitor and I can't say there was a huge difference in the clarity between the on-board and the 17" monitors.

The EVF is pretty sweet, sharp as a razor....even has a built in sensor that turns the EVF on/off as you bring your eye near to the EVF.

The zoom appeared to be manually rotatable even while locked into servo mode. It was definitely a bit more resistant than in full manual (non-servo) mode, but if the production version let's you make little bumps/pops on the zoom while staying in servo mode, that could be nice.

The layout of everything is very sensible. The menu operates slightly differently than before. Press the menu button and you get a quick "user menu" (which, although not confirmed, appeared you could customize with your most frequently used menu functions without digging around). Press and hold for a couple seconds on the menu button and you get the full menu with all functions. It's a lot of stuff.

Back on the zoom, it is a creeeeeeeping slow zoom, it'll go slower than you'll probably ever want, and was very soft on pickup and drop off on both ends. Same for the handle zoom, which is now (finally) somewhat usable. :)

The integrated lens cap is a welcome addition (only about 12 years late to Sony's introduction of the same, but great to finally have it!).

It feels a little "cheaper" than the feel of my AC130, but again, this was a demo piece, and the final one might be more robust. Regardless, it was still relatively heavy, similar to the AC130.

The wifi remote monitoring application looks really great, I can see using that frequently. It was running on a Panasonic Toughbook Windows machine, in a browser window. It appears to be platform agnostic, so it should work on any device with a browser.

The AVC Intra200 is going to be a paid upgrade option later in the year, so the camera has the ability to do Intra 200 , but it's not "in the box" per se.

I didn't have enough time to really thoroughly vet out every feature, but I may hopefully own one on Monday, or sometime soon afterward. I'll post more at that time.
 
I like everything that I'm hearing except the paying for the AVC Intra200 part. Hey Jan, can you let the higher ups know that we all feel paid FW updates are lame and we don't care for them? Even Sony threw in the towel with their S-Log updates. I can understand if the upgrade won't be out right away, but don't make me pay for it. I'm ready to buy two of these as soon as they come out, this is already making me think twice. It's already a "not 4k" camera as it is. If that's the case it better be the best one without me having to pay more to make it that.
 
I'm willing to bet that there are NO benefits to AVC 200 with the 1/3" sensor and the average stock lens beside paying for more for wasted hdd space, P2 offload time, and LTO-6 or 7 archive media. The lens' shortcomings are already discernible at AVC-50, let alone 100 or 200. Yeah, a bit cleaner edge for chroma keying (so small that's hard to discern), but the aberrations are hard to get rid off. This is another gimmick that I'm not falling for. I'm certainly not deluded to think somehow AVC 200 can magically make the lackluster optics to miraculously perform like it was on a high end lens & without paying the premium price for it. Holy smoke! If that's the case I'm in digital heaven. A real lens will cost about 40-100x more than the PX-270 itself and that is still is not perfect but far superior to the stock PX270's lens. Within 3-5 years, AVC 200 will be bundled (if 1/3" 1080p is still in demand). Most NLE apps can easily mix between codecs. AVC 200 is more suitable as a mastering codec than acquisition unless the optical section of the cam can match it. Which unfortunately very few to none in 2014. The few are so big and heavy that makes it unsuitable for run and gun doc shoot.
 
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Bo Sundvall said:
Any chance there will be an AVCHD version of the 270, as there is for the 250?
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The PX-270 AVC-LongG CODEC should give you all of the benefits of the AVCHD CODEC, but with 10-bit 4:2:2 color.

AVC-LongG may take some time to get proper NLE support, but it's a higher quality CODEC that uses the same data-rates as AVCHD.
 
TheDingo said:
The PX-270 AVC-LongG CODEC should give you all of the benefits of the AVCHD CODEC, but with 10-bit 4:2:2 color.

AVC-LongG may take some time to get proper NLE support, but it's a higher quality CODEC that uses the same data-rates as AVCHD.
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GrassValley Edius aready supports Long G. I never have to render anything on the Edius timeline. Time is money.
 
TheDingo said:
The PX-270 AVC-LongG CODEC should give you all of the benefits of the AVCHD CODEC, but with 10-bit 4:2:2 color.

AVC-LongG may take some time to get proper NLE support, but it's a higher quality CODEC that uses the same data-rates as AVCHD.
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Premiere Pro CC has had support across the gamut of these formats: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/extend.html

Specifically it states:
"Native AVC-Intra and AVC-Ultra camera workflows
Import, play back, edit, and export AVC-Intra, AVC-Ultra, and AVC-LongG clips natively with no transcoding or rewrapping thanks to a true file-based workflow for these types of files. Export to AVC-Intra content at 50Mbps, 100Mbps, and 200Mbps at all common frame rates and resolutions."

Haven't plugged up the PX270 and tested anything in the NLE yet but planning to do so in the next day or two.
 
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