Pulldown plugins for PPro CS5

T

tonpole

Carbonite Member
Are there any programs that will do pulldown automatically in premiere? It would be nice not to have to deal with big intermediate files.
 
Throw the footy on the timeline and step through it a frame at a time and you will see it remove the pulldown.
 
Yeah, it also removes half the resolution in the process. Ive also tried having AE remove the pulldown and it cant do it properly. Panasonic used some fuxxored pulldown method and i havent found a (free) way yet to remove it.
 
Correction, it doesnt half the resolution, it completely destroys it, but if any of you actually had premiere you would have known that.
 
I own Premiere CS5 and I'm very happy with it and the video quality. I sometimes use Cineform for the color sampling and the Film Looks that come with First Light. Cineform has a very generous trial, and you can install it and remove the pulldown for whatever footage you have already for free.
 
tonpole said:
Correction, it doesnt half the resolution, it completely destroys it, but if any of you actually had premiere you would have known that.
Click to expand...

Yep.. I read that CS5 worked here, then tried it and ugh.. Now I use TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress to remove the pulldown and it's much better.
 
I've imported interlaced 1080p GH1 files into Premiere Pro and After Effects CS4 23.976fps timelines and tried out all of the various pulldown options that are offered. While some settings are better than others, none of them correctly extract all of the original progressive frames from the telecined MTS files. This is a serious flaw and Adobe should be ashamed of its failure to get this right.
 
lpowell said:
I've imported interlaced 1080p GH1 files into Premiere Pro and After Effects CS4 23.976fps timelines and tried out all of the various pulldown options that are offered. While some settings are better than others, none of them correctly extract all of the original progressive frames from the telecined MTS files. This is a serious flaw and Adobe should be ashamed of its failure to get this right.
Click to expand...

Well this auto-pulldown-removal is a new CS5 thing. But others are claiming it kills half the resolution? Any tests or proof?
 
Try it yourself and see. Adobe has alot to be ashamed of, but what should you expect from consumer software?

So to my knowledge, short of cineform which will cause some loss of quality, there are no plugins that will do pulldown correctly, and not even cineform can do it automatically so that only the final edit needs pulldown removed, which means you have to convert all your footage in advance.

I've just been using the script posted at the end of the clever free pulldown thread. It produces gigantic files, but its lossless, automatic, and does pulldown perfectly, and you dont have to deal with flaky native recording.
 
Dont need to, cineform is a lossy format, whether or not its perceptible is subjective, but with all lossy formats you get what you pay for, which is why i pay for a decent raid for my lossless files.
 
tonpole said:
Dont need to, cineform is a lossy format, whether or not its perceptible is subjective, but with all lossy formats you get what you pay for, which is why i pay for a decent raid for my lossless files.
Click to expand...

I don't mean the cineform files, I mean the output from Premiere.
 
Prior to the hack, premiere handled the wrapper correctly. Audio and video are in sync and played back at 24p. On export, I've had no noticable loss of resolution, but I was downscaling to dvd, h.264 and windows media. Playback sometimes has artifacts and interlacing when I scrub, but on my system I have correct 24p and renderless playback with the nvidia gtx285 and the mercury playback engine. My last shoot was output to 1080p windows media, but I used premiere for my cuts and then imported the project into After Effects for my color correction (minimal) and effects. The final renders from AE look great. So, after the hack ( I think with 24p ticked, I can't remember now, I've done a few...) it thinks the footage is 29.97, but if I put it into the 24p sequence it's fine (I also tried having it interpret the footage as 24p and the audio is slowed).

I have also been using the Lagarith Lossless codec for a few years and it has served me well, but I really don't have the time to re-encode all my footage prior to an edit, especially something that will go on broadcast or web. The Avid DNxHD is also a good codec for transcoding to and it's cross platform. I've been editing in premiere and after effects since 1997, it's the best NLE for the price.
 
lpowell said:
I've imported interlaced 1080p GH1 files into Premiere Pro and After Effects CS4 23.976fps timelines and tried out all of the various pulldown options that are offered. While some settings are better than others, none of them correctly extract all of the original progressive frames from the telecined MTS files. This is a serious flaw and Adobe should be ashamed of its failure to get this right.
Click to expand...
CS5 is completely different from CS4. CS4 was useless for pulldown.
 
Could we get some more substance in this criticism? I'm just randomly rendering stuff out from the little test footage i've managed to shoot, looks good to me... i would like to see some examples from the difference between your lossless output and CS5? In my book it seems pretty logical that there's gonna be interlacing artifacts no matter how you do it... so what is this talk about "loosing half the resolution"...?
 
I don't believe this "Premiere throws away 50% of the resolution" stuff. Unless someone can show that it does.
 
butler360 said:
I don't believe this "Premiere throws away 50% of the resolution" stuff. Unless someone can show that it does.
Click to expand...

We're all very busy and lazy people who dont like spoonfeeding others. You got a resolution chart? Best way to do side by side tests of noise/res/artifacts. Use AE, it has more pulldown options, looks like crap to me when i frame through it at any setting. Of course there's no way to know what exactly its doing, or to tell it to do something that isnt standardized, like GH1's pulldown method.

See the thing is people like to choose winners, and winners like to choose winners, even if the winners are losers, so here lies the dry hump circle jerk that is the cinema industry. But hey, its consumer goods, and consumer = retarded in the eyes of our corporate overlords, so if you want to do it right, then do it yourself.
 
Thank you, I appreciate the lecture.

I tried the script you posted and it seems to work fine, mostly. But I did see little tiny bits of interlacing popping through. So I ran the same source file through the corporate overlord's "Video Editor of End-User Oppression" and it came out without any interlacing artifacts. You can see examples below. Click on the crop to see the full-size image.

VirtualDub:


:Drogar-Mark-10(DBG):Drogar-Mark-10(DBG):Drogar-Mark-10(DBG)Premiere:Drogar-Mark-10(DBG):Drogar-Mark-10(DBG):Drogar-Mark-10(DBG)



So either I'm doing something wrong or the free way isn't quite perfect. Although it does seem to have produced a 24P file. The framerate is correct and I see about 99% less interlacing artifacts.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top