7D Programs you use for Converting/Editing Videos (Canon 7D)

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Amir Vii

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1. What program do you guys use to convert the raw clips you shoot using your canon 7D to a format thats easier to play around with and edit. (please include the output setting you use as well)

2. What program do you use for editing your videos?

Hopefully this thread can help all the newbies including myself that just got a Canon 7D and don't have a lot of knowledge about converting and editing videos.

P.S i tried the trial verison of NeoScene, it was a great software to work with but for now i don't have money to get the full version
 
ah...there's already so much info on all this, but here we go again:

1.) i use cineform NeoScene

2.) i use vegas or premiere when on windows, and premiere or FCP when on mac

when editing on premiere cs5, i can cut native files - no conversion needed

use AVID DNxHD if you dont have the money for neoscene, its free however i think cineform is the standard. theres also this proxy thing from DVFilm called EPIC I, i used it prior to neoscene. imo its horrible, could work for some.
 
I use Compressor to export the h.264 files to Apple Prores HQ. The conversion is very fast. I then edit in FCS.
 
Amir Vii said:
1. What program do you guys use to convert the raw clips you shoot using your canon 7D to a format thats easier to play around with and edit. (please include the output setting you use as well)

2. What program do you use for editing your videos?

Hopefully this thread can help all the newbies including myself that just got a Canon 7D and don't have a lot of knowledge about converting and editing videos.

P.S i tried the trial verison of NeoScene, it was a great software to work with but for now i don't have money to get the full version
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On the surface this seems an easy question, but there are a lot of variable involved. More than I care to get into here. So here's some basics...

1. I use either my NLE, or Mpeg Streamclip (if I need to create quicktime files), or Prism (if I need to create AVI files). As for my settings, that is hugely variable and dependent on what I am going to do with that video once it's converted.

2. I use either Sony Vegas or Avid Media Composer.


Perhaps it will help newbies. But as has been mentioned, there are tons and tons of threads out there posted by newbies who've asked this same question for over a year. And invariably, more newbies come, don't read those threads, and ask the same exact questions. happens a couple times a week on most forums.

Best of luck with your terrific new camera!
 
aituv said:
theres also this proxy thing from DVFilm called EPIC I, i used it prior to neoscene. imo its horrible, could work for some.
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What problems did you have with Epic? We are about to release 1.1 with 64-bit support, need feedback from users.
 
i highly recommend MPEG Streamclip. I use it to batch convert all my clips to Apple ProRes 422 before editing in final cut.
 
+1 with MPEG streamclip. It's free.

I use Sony Vegas, and majority of the programs in the Adobe Creative Suite.
 
The NLE I use is Vegas Pro, and even though I have a Core i5 computer, creative editing still runs best with smaller files so I use a proxy system -- for that I use MPEG StreamClip which seems quite popular here! I make the proxies standard definition for widescreen: 1024 x 576, using a MJPEG codec. As others have stated, the batch processing is very useful for bulk conversion of lots of camera clips from a days shoot. If you're unsure how to do this in MPEG StreamClip here's a step-by-step:

1. Make a folder for the proxies, then in StreamClip:
2. List menu --> Batch list --> Add files button.
3. Navigate to your camera files and multi-select them as required, then Open button.
4. "Export to QuickTime" (my usual choice) --> Ok button.
5. Navigate to the saving location (folder you made) and select it --> Ok button.
6. Select your codec of choice from the "Compressor" drop-down and then choose the codec settings, finally To batch button.
7. The batch list is formed within the window, then Go button.
8. See the processing progress bar (click the Stop button if you need to halt it).
9. When done: Clear button --> All tasks button to clear the list for the next batch.
 
Although it's repeated ad nauseum, Premiere Pro CS5 seems to be the best option for DSLR HD at the moment.

They have a specific setting for DSLR files, and everything plays in realtime without encoding. On my system, which is an i7-920, 12GB, NVidia Quadro FX4800, I can play multiple files in realtime without issue.

There is a slight delay when playing back the timeline - probably due to the MPEG nature of the clips - but apart from that there are zero problems. You achieve the full quality of the footage without having to convert (conversion always results in some loss of quality).
 
I use Canopus Edius , Found Edius Pro4.61 to be the best for my results all you do is open a project in the HD spec you want , import the clips , right click and select all , convert to Canopus HQ or other fromat's via batch conversion. As I do not have a Core I7 system, but a Quad core system and XP and a 1.7 centrino with 512mb ram, With Edius I am able to edit no problem.

I would be interested to see and compare the footage in CS5 to Edius.
 
If you are editing in Final Cut, why would you want to encode first using MPEG Streamclip or Compressor? Why not just use the Canon Plug-In for Log and Transfer function in FCP and transcode to Pro Res there? ( I think its log & transfer - I get confused about the names of those input methods.)

Lenny Levy
 
We are working on DVFilm Epic for Mac. It will allow you to edit the DSLR quicktimes directly in FCP 7, without transcoding or Log & Transfer. You get real-time playback, smooth scrubbing forwards and backwards, in the RT mode. The prototype seems to be working well. Hoping for late summer release.
 
TrueIndigo said:
The NLE I use is Vegas Pro, and even though I have a Core i5 computer, creative editing still runs best with smaller files so I use a proxy system
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Hi TI,
once you created those proxies I assume you edit them with your NLE. How can you then apply all the editing stuff back to the original source and get a full final HD (best quality) output ?
Is it a specific NLE handling it all or does it work with any program ?

Which MJPEG code do you exactly pick from Streamclip ?

THX
CIPO
 
CiPO said:
Hi TI,
once you created those proxies I assume you edit them with your NLE. How can you then apply all the editing stuff back to the original source and get a full final HD (best quality) output ?
Is it a specific NLE handling it all or does it work with any program ?

Which MJPEG code do you exactly pick from Streamclip ?

THX
CIPO
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It works with Premiere. When you transcode, keep the names of the original files, just in another location. Edit with those, and then when you're ready, move the folder with the transcodes, and the program will ask you for the missing files. Simply point it to the original files.
 
WhiteMonkey said:
It works with Premiere. When you transcode, keep the names of the original files, just in another location. Edit with those, and then when you're ready, move the folder with the transcodes, and the program will ask you for the missing files. Simply point it to the original files.
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Ok, thx. Pretty handy but I don't use Premiere :( I use AVID Liquid for long time but now it is EOL and I need to switch NLE. Probably AVID MC but not sure ..... I will be on PC anyway.

THX
 
CiPO -- sorry didn't get back quicker, but WhiteMonkey answered it. Regardless of NLE type, proxy system usually works by having a video utility make light weight proxy files the same name as the camera files. When creative editing is done with the proxy files and you're edit is "locked down", you can reconnect the timeline to the same-named camera files to do colour correction.

Another method, if you consider camera files only to be suitable for acquisition, is after the off-line with the proxy files, you note down the name of the files which actually got used in the edit and then use your video utility to make high quality clips from the required camera files which will take better colour correction than the camera files (again, having the same file name as the proxies/camera files, you simply re-connect the timeline to those instead of the camera files). One good quality codec for on-lining would be the Avid NDxHD series.

If you're looking at changing NLE, Lightworks might be out soon!
 
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