Problems with 60P

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oniongum

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Hey There...

So I just bought the Canon Rebel T2i and I'm psyched to use it. However, when I tried to capture video at 780p 60fps it didn't capture. It just looked like it captured in 30fps.

I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong. Really I probably don't know anything. Anyway. Can anyone give me a step by step of how to set different frame rates in video mode?

Thanks.
RUGGLES!
 
The 60fps setting will play back at 60fps (so it will look normal speed) unless you conform it to play back at a different frame rate.

On a Mac, I do it in Cinema Tools. You simple open Cinema Tools, then open the video you want to conform. Once the video opens, the lower right of the video player window has a button that says "Conform..." Clicking on this will cause another window to open that says "The current framerate is 59.94 FPS" and it has a pulled down menu of what you want to conform it to (I usually do 23.98).

Now your video clip will appear to be in slow motion!
 
Awesome! So it won't playback in slo-mo on your camera? Only once you've imported it into cinema tools?

That's what was throwing me off.

Thanks so much for your help!
 
What are you using to edit? For adobe products, its as simple as right click -> interpret footage -> new framerate.
 
I'm not that familiar with FCP but it seems excessive that a simple frame rate re-interpretation requires a special module named "cinema tools". Why not just be frank about it.
 
Cinema tools is free with Final Cut suite and does batch conform and batch reverse telecine
as well as offers database tools for keeping track of huge jobs with thousands of clips. When you conform the clip
it alters the .mov file to 23.976

The fact that FCP is broken into many parts like Sound Studio, the fcp NLE, Color, Motion with round tripping workflows
allows it to be a tool on jobs were many hands are working on the project.

The other way to do it drop the 60fps clip on a 24p timeline, control click on it and select speed change 40%

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or to be frame accurate drop the 59.94 clip onto a 23.98 timeline, control click on it and select speed change 40%
unless I have a ramp in my edit I prefer cinema tools batch conform
 
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Well I just think that framerate interpretation should be core to any NLE or compositor, not an auxiliary module. Just feels odd it is.
 
shaocaholica said:
Well I just think that framerate interpretation should be core to any NLE or compositor, not an auxiliary module. Just feels odd it is.
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You're using cs4? When you interpolate the frame rate its not changing the actual file right? That would be the same as the change speed setting of any clip on a final cut timeline. You either set a percentage, or set a duration, or reverse it, set a curve or ramp for start/end, check whether you want frame blending etc and the original file remains untouched. However, ro the best of my knowledge, what you can't do in FCP is specify its intended frame rate as an interpolation, which is what I think you are referring to.

Anything like that as treated as a permanent change to the actual file independent of the NLE and thats cinematools
 
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Yeah, thats pretty much what I mean. Set a "new" framerate for a file pointer in the NLE without actually changing the file. Sure its the same as changing the speed but it works out in my head a bit cleaner with just entering in a new framerate. Especially since I know I don't want frame blending, this leaves less room for error. Plus its just more intuitive for me.

I also find it odd that people keep saying "conformed to 24fps with Cinema Tools" when framerate reinterpretation is such a trivial thing that they had to mention Cinema Tools? Its not like it would have looked any different if they had used something else to reinterpret the framerate. Its as trivial to me as saying I renamed a file with Apple OSX finder.
 
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oniongum said:
Awesome! So it won't playback in slo-mo on your camera? Only once you've imported it into cinema tools?

That's what was throwing me off.

Thanks so much for your help!
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You can play it back in slow-mo in your camera, in the top right of the screen it shows the play back speed, you can do more then just 60/30 slow mo.

It stumped me too when I did 60fps and it was playing it back non slow mo
 
shaocaholica said:
Yeah, thats pretty much what I mean. Set a "new" framerate for a file pointer in the NLE without actually changing the file. Sure its the same as changing the speed but it works out in my head a bit cleaner with just entering in a new framerate. Especially since I know I don't want frame blending, this leaves less room for error. Plus its just more intuitive for me.

I also find it odd that people keep saying "conformed to 24fps with Cinema Tools" when framerate reinterpretation is such a trivial thing that they had to mention Cinema Tools? Its not like it would have looked any different if they had used something else to reinterpret the framerate. Its as trivial to me as saying I renamed a file with Apple OSX finder.
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I hear ya.

One thing that I forgot to mention is that cinema tools was designed to log and keep track of film scans and was originally a stand alone app.

A note to others about interpolating a conform on the timeline by using FCP speed change is that you should always leave frame blending unchecked that way the FCP interpolation matches frames 1:1
 
kevinottawa said:
You can play it back in slow-mo in your camera, in the top right of the screen it shows the play back speed, you can do more then just 60/30 slow mo.

It stumped me too when I did 60fps and it was playing it back non slow mo
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Yeah, I was going to mention that if it's like the 7D then you should be able to play it back in slow motion on the camera itself.
 
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