Price...

After reading all this hypothesis, I want to express a little thought.
Cameras are a medium, the cost of this medium must be in a relationship at all the others things you need to make a movie.
I'd like to hear from Jim Jannard (or evr'yone else involved to build a camera) an honestly speaking, saying something:- "We know that evr'yone interested to make a movie, or a short film, needs to combine various elements: lighting, screenplay, editing, actors, music and spend all the time to make a valuable project.
We want the revolution. Ours idea of Revolution it's not build a camera with faboulous settings and a prohibitive price tag, because we know very well how a camera it's important but not so important in total. We've observed for years cameras having a prohibitive price tag - simple offering a quality that we have alright reached with digital cameras - and we know that if you are under a big company, renting them doing a calibrated and specific use with the amount of hundred of people was the only way to make a valuable project. Much of this project went bankrupt, they became uncompleted work.
This has killed various cinema projects, and results were hundred of hundred of commercial movies, without a soul.
This philosophy is behind ours idea of Revolution, we want contaminate the system with this idea."

I'd really like to hear a quote like this from Jim Jannard (or whatewer company), think about cellular telephones, when they hit the market had big prices, but when a lot of companies start to take the prices down, cellular telephones became an object used in daily life.

If I am into the shoes of Jim Jannard I'd like to say something like this, but hope a day hearing a guy say something like this.

Ciao Jim!

RE(volution)D(ay), think about it :)
 
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Danilo Del Tufo said:
After reading all this hypothesis, I want to express a little thought.
Cameras are a medium, the cost of this medium must be in a relationship at all the others things you need to make a movie.
I'd like to hear from Jim Jannard (or evr'yone else involved to build a camera) an honestly speaking, saying something:- "We know that evr'yone interested to make a movie, or a short film, needs to combine various elements: lighting, screenplay, editing, actors, music and spend all the time to make a valuable project.
We want the revolution. Ours idea of Revolution it's not build a camera with faboulous settings and a prohibitive price tag, because we know very well how a camera it's important but not so important in total. We've observed for years cameras having a prohibitive price tag, and we know that if you are under a big company, renting them doing a calibrated and specific use with the amount of hundred of people was the only way to make a valuable project. Much of this project went bankrupt, they became uncompleted work.
This has killed various cinema projects, and results were hundred of hundred of commercial movies, without a soul.
This philosophy is behind ours idea of Revolution, we want contaminate the system with this idea."

I'd really like to hear a quote like this from Jim Jannard (or whatewer company), think about cellular telephones, when they hit the market had big prices, but when a lot of companies start to take the prices down, cellular telephones became an object used in daily life.

If I am into the shoes of Jim Jannard I'd like to say something like this, but hope a day hearing a guy say something like this.

Ciao Jim!
You have a filmmaker soul, Danilo.

And that's why despite the 2K feature, I opened, first, a thread regarding the new Sillicon Imaging/Cineform camera, afterwards, another one (related to another new manufacturer) following the mouvement.

Precisely.

EDIT -- Both threads are now@other cameras forum:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=52
 
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Thanks Emanuel! :) Somethin' of revolutionary is in the air!
Hope Jim thinks the same, Jim become a part of us! Just condivide ours passion! We need money only to buy the food! The inner nature of humanity it's only express itself to help each other!
Jim, Fight with us!
 
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Yup, from a filmmaker's POV, there will be good to know that profile is the white side of the Force and this time the economics will win as the american way of life as the american dream manner. He conquered that. We hope that he helps us to have ours. And if yours, it will be the filmmaker's one -- why not? I compared himself to Lumière or Edison (to you american fellows)...

May the Force Be With You, Jim!
 
When I took on this project it was to satisfy the eyes, mind and heart of shooters around the world. And not kill the wallet in the process. I guess we will all see on Monday if we have been successful.

Jim
 
Thanks Jim, I really appreciate your beautiful words.
In another thread I've spoke about a movie that I've re-watched recently, It's called "Iron 3" directed by Kim Ki-Duk.
Maybe in Usa it's not so famous, but I'd want suggest to see it, despite you're busy now with work.
Watching this movie, it's an heart and soul experience.
If you read about the life of Kim Ki-Duk, and his way to make a movie, I'm sure that will reach your heart...
We need more movies like this, Jim!

This a legendary scene from the movie:



Hope to read your comments about it!
Ciao!
 
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Jannard said:
When I took on this project it was to satisfy the eyes, mind and heart of shooters around the world. And not kill the wallet in the process. I guess we will all see on Monday if we have been successful.

Jim
I think I'm in love.

Monday is the day I put on the Beatle's "Revolution" song and read all day. I can here the refrain "so you want a revolution"... ok, enough Guiness for me.



Cheers.
 
D_and_G said:
Jannard said:
When I took on this project it was to satisfy the eyes, mind and heart of shooters around the world. And not kill the wallet in the process. I guess we will all see on Monday if we have been successful.

Jim
I think I'm in love.
You are not the only one... :D

Danilo Del Tufo said:
 
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LOL :beer:

Literally, making out with a married woman behind her husband's back :thumbsup:
 
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Jannard said:
When I took on this project it was to satisfy the eyes, mind and heart of shooters around the world. And not kill the wallet in the process. I guess we will all see on Monday if we have been successful.

Jim

You know... My feeling is that even if Red ends up being HALF of what was initially bandied about, it will be a success. I mean, a 4K camera? C'mon, even the Arclight, which is one of the best theaters in the world, "only" uses a 2K digital projector in the Dome (and that projector is only about a year old.) Even if I can’t afford it personally, I’ll be thrilled because of what it represents in the struggle to democratize “film” making.

All this speculation makes my head hurt. For some reason we love to gravitate towards the pessimistic (ThinkSecret reporting that Red will cost 10.8 trillion dollars [body only, of course] is my personal fav.) All the negativity is really quite irritating. Yet, I cannot for the life of me pull myself away from reading it. It’s like crack. I know it’s not good for me, but man…

It’s just four days. Can’t we like, you know, wait four days to pass judgment? Give the man a chance. What could it possibly cost us to be open-minded?
 
D_and_G said:
I think I'm in love.

Monday is the day I put on the Beatle's "Revolution" song and read all day.

I'll be playing "You make me feel brand new" by "Simply RED".

Hopefully I wont have to play "Money's to Tight" by the same band.

Henry
 
masada1903 said:
You know... My feeling is that even if Red ends up being HALF of what was initially bandied about, it will be a success. I mean, a 4K camera? C'mon, even the Arclight, which is one of the best theaters in the world, "only" uses a 2K digital projector in the Dome (and that projector is only about a year old.) Even if I can’t afford it personally, I’ll be thrilled because of what it represents in the struggle to democratize “film” making.

I agree. If they released a cheaper version with only 2k and 4:2:2 color space it'd still blow everything else out of the water.
 
dj200423 said:
I don't think it's worth speculating the price. Jim Jannard has said on multiple occasions that it would be geared towards us, I am confident that whatever the price, it will be very fair.

I'm most concerned about the price being fair. Fair is way out of my price range. ;)
 
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