Preview of Vortex Media's PMW-F3 Training DVD

I feel like it would be a better value if it was available in HD...

And apparently it doesn't go into S-Log or 4:4:4 workflows, which is what I actually would want to learn more about.

Looks thorough otherwise.
 
A "how to" DVD might be a tough sell for a pro camera @ this price point. My guess is you're probably not dealing with an audience of soccer moms. S-Log hasn't been released and optimal work flows haven't been established yet. Looks professional though. Best of luck.
 
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petemack said:
A "how to" DVD might be a tough sell for a pro camera @ this price point. My guess is you're probably not dealing with an audience of soccer moms. S-Log hasn't been released and optimal work flows haven't been established yet. Looks professional though. Best of luck.
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would be good for semi/pro-pro users coming from a panasonic or canon dslr background.
 
I thought the price was high as well.... But it is 4 hours long. For people who plan on renting the F3 its a small price to pay.
 
petemack said:
A "how to" DVD might be a tough sell for a pro camera @ this price point. My guess is you're probably not dealing with an audience of soccer moms. S-Log hasn't been released and optimal work flows haven't been established yet. Looks professional though. Best of luck.
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I'm aware that the update isn't out yet - but S-Log has already been around, and Sony & the external recording companies have made it fairly clear what workflows will be available.

My point is, this is what I would be more interested in training on.

I'm also frustrated that it's being provided in SD, which means assessing the comparisons provided will be more difficult.

I'm sure it's useful information, but not anything I need, and I agree, may be a tough sell to the owner/operator market. Better suited to the rental market.
 
Maybe they'll do an add-on with S-Log workflows -- until then, yes, it's a bit limited for experienced shooters...
 
I just watched their demo on f3 white balance and surprisingly learned a quite a bit: http://vimeo.com/22565560

This is probably more extensive info on the f3 than what it seems at face value. Possibly worth the price even if you learn just a little bit.
 
hunter richards said:
Possibly worth the price even if you learn just a little bit.
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Totally agree. Doug is an incredibly skilled teacher and a real master of the intricacies of Sony cameras in particular. If someone wants accurate and relevant technical information, you can't go wrong with Doug Jensen. He's also the inventor of WarmCards, which receive my award for "awesome-you didn't know you needed-product." Once upon a time I had my own way of warming up the WB by shooting a pepper through a piece of 1/8 CTB and light grid on a scrap of showcard, which was not nearly as quick and easy as the WarmCards.
 
Illya Friedman said:
Totally agree. Doug is an incredibly skilled teacher and a real master of the intricacies of Sony cameras in particular. If someone wants accurate and relevant technical information, you can't go wrong with Doug Jensen. He's also the inventor of WarmCards, which receive my award for "awesome-you didn't know you needed-product." Once upon a time I had my own way of warming up the WB by shooting a pepper through a piece of 1/8 CTB and light grid on a scrap of showcard, which was not nearly as quick and easy as the WarmCards.
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Warm cards... I had those. Useful. Sold them when I got a PMW-EX1 and I could manually set my white balance wherever I wanted.
 
Viddovation said:
Warm cards... I had those. Useful. Sold them when I got a PMW-EX1 and I could manually set my white balance wherever I wanted.
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But you can't accurately match two cameras with a different neutral white bias (this includes every camera of the same type) to the same "white" just by setting internal color temperature.
 
Illya Friedman said:
But you can't accurately match two cameras with a different neutral white bias (this includes every camera of the same type) to the same "white" just by setting internal color temperature.
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Fair point, but you can get close. And the sort of multicam shoot where that's an issue, you generally have a truck and a Shader.
 
Viddovation said:
Fair point, but you can get close. And the sort of multicam shoot where that's an issue, you generally have a truck and a Shader.
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I shot plenty of studio, reality, documentary and narrative without either, just a decent amount of prep time and a paintbox.

F3 is compatible with standard Sony 150/750 paintboxes.
 
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