Premiere Pro CS4 New Features - Info Request

I dont want to clear effects, i just want to disable them for previewing purposes. Sometimes I have looks stacked on top of 3 other plug ins and it brings my quad core to its knees.
 
Does anyone know if theres real time preview in after effects? I've cut some really complicated photo montages in after effects and it is a pain in the ass
 
David,

I'd be interested to know how Premiere Pro CS4 compares to Sony Vegas Pro in terms of native editing, performance and other features that you've been a proponent of in Sony Vegas.

Also, how easy would it be to transition from other NLE's to Premiere Pro in terms of work flow, ease of use, learning curve?

Thanks!
 
Well, for native editing, Premiere has more going for it now than pretty much anyone else. The only sticky point is what I mentioned in the article -- the restructuring of the sequence architecture means automatic pulldown removal is temporarily removed -- but assuming it gets back to where it was, Premiere is probably going to have the most flexible and worry-free timeline of anything, and that includes Edius.

Which was always one of the biggest assets Vegas had going for it -- you could throw anything onto the timleine and Vegas would serve you well. But that's far from the case anymore.

As for performance, it's hard to compare them when Premiere will accept files that Vegas won't. I do know that with P2 files, the workflow in Premiere is light years better than it is in Vegas with Raylight. So many things no longer necessary to worry about.

Some things Vegas still stomps on -- general simplicity and ease of use. You don't really appreciate automatic crossfades until you go without them for a while. Also, as mentioned above, the contents of a Premiere clip disappear as you move it, and means the waveform, too -- and even there, Premiere's waveform graphic isn't nearly as precise or useful as Vegas's.

I also simply don't understand the need to segregate the video tracks from the audio tracks, putting all video up top and all audio below -- it's cumbersome and unnecessary. Neither do I think much of the need to define an audio track as stereo or mono or 5.1 and then be able to put only those types of files on those tracks. And Premiere's 5.1 mixing is nearly incomprehensible.

So, suffice it to say, I'm still going to use Vegas for audio mixing, no question at all.

I'd rather use DVD Architect than Encore, too -- but that's not really that much of a concern; they're separate programs and I still can, even having used Premiere to edit.

Now, there are areas where it's harder to compare. Vegas's chroma keyer is probably the best of any NLE; Premiere's blows. But with Dynamic Link and the silky smooth integration between Premiere and After Effects, doing the work in AE and using Keylight -- which may be one of the best keyers on the planet -- is almost the same as doing it in Premiere. So, while Vegas has great effects capabilities by itself, it doesn't compare to AE, and using AE with Premiere is pretty slick.

Of course, that also means paying quite a bit more, too.

Where Premiere stomps is in its flexibility and its smooth format support, and with P2 stuff, it's enough to tip the scale -- particularly as they start to better integrate the use of the metadata.

Also, using multiple sequences -- especially now that they can be given independent settings -- is in my opinion superior to using nested projects, as Vegas does. It's just easier than having multimple instances of Vegas open. Now, it doesn't use less RAM -- on the whole, Premere is very RAM-intensive and it takes having several Vegas instances open to use as much as a single instance of Premiere -- but switching between sequence tabs is just plain easier than switching between Vegas instances.

And, Premiere is compatible with much more of the rest of the world than it looks like Sony has any intention of making Vegas. It's shrewd of Adobe to make interoperability between the Windows and Mac versions nearly complete, negating the platform question altogether. Also, they have much more support for many different "universal" standards.

Sure, there are tons of little things from Vegas I miss, but there are a ton of little things in Premiere that Vegas doesn't have, too -- it's inevitable.

Transitioning from other NLEs to Premiere -- well, it's pretty easy from FCP; they're almost the same.

Transitioning from Vegas -- much more of a curve; it'll help tremendously to spend some time customizing Premiere to be as close as possible to Vegas first -- preferred layout, keyboard shortcuts, etc.. It's a different way of thinking, but it's not as dissimilar as it first appears.

Bottom line, I'm liking Adobe because they're listening. They're finding out what people want, what other product lines don't offer, and giving it to them -- even though it can still be improved and they say it will be, I'd say they're unequivocally got the best support for P2 with CS4 -- and if they fulfill the promise of what they've done so far, it'll be very tough to go with anything else.
 
David Jimerson said:
....I also simply don't understand the need to segregate the video tracks from the audio tracks, putting all video up top and all audio below -- it's cumbersome and unnecessary. ........
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I think its very logical to separate the Video and the Audio clip represenatations becasue tt allows one to view the structure, position and relationship of clip to clip. I frequently have ten plus video layers working and would find it difficult to see past the audio layers were they to be mixed with video.

It could be cool though to have the Audio layered directly behind the Video and it could be toggled visible or otherwise. That would save screen real estate for the task at hand (usually Video clip edit)
 
That is true, but the better way of doing it is giving you the option of arranging your tracks however you want. So, if you want to segregate them, you still can.
 
GreekStudios said:
My first video editing ever was with Premiere Pro CS3. Everything was logical and very easy for me to pick up.
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/agree i recently tried to get into vegas i cant do it. Even though i like the fast work flow i just cant seem to unlearn what i know about premiere cs3. I hope i can learn vegas though seems like a nice program.

Also if someone has some advice the footage shot 24p when transfered to vegas looked like crap is there a special setting for 24p cause the footage looked really bad when i rendered it.
 
ques24 said:
Also if someone has some advice the footage shot 24p when transfered to vegas looked like crap is there a special setting for 24p cause the footage looked really bad when i rendered it.
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You'll have to get a lot more specific. Post details in the Vegas section. :)
 
David Jimerson said:
That is true, but the better way of doing it is giving you the option of arranging your tracks however you want. So, if you want to segregate them, you still can.
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David... I have been dying to know how the new track targeting system (like Avid) works. In CS3 and before, you could only select one video and one audio track. Can you select multiple video and audio tracks now? (not with the patch on the left. I'm talking about the box that says VIDEO1, VIDEO2, etc.

I was wondering, the new track targeter on the left, is that for selecting which track in the timeline you want the video to be placed on? Or is that for the source?

If it's for the timeline, is there track targeting for the source?

I'm not sure if you are familiar with AVID or not, but in AVID you can target tracks from the source and on the timeline too. I was wondering if Premiere has this capability.

Thanks David!
 
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