Post your XL2 Footage

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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=45#49 date=09/26/04 at 14:53:19]I know!

OMG.

I read the JEST response and was like "Damn! A little sensitive aren't we?" Like I saud, maybe he's 'seeing' the XL2. I don't know.[/quote]

You are too much!!! :D
 
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lol ... it doesnt suck, but IMHO the in camera cinegamma and matrix functions do. they just simply dont look as good as the DVX.

others can say they do, but im really not sure what they are seeing that im not. perhaps its just the clouded vision one gets when in love. ? like we all have with our DVXs sometimes...

i already currently have the money set aside to buy the next great independent filmmaking cam. .. problem is, it hasnt arrived yet. even if the sony pro is 24p, and 30p and all, i might still hold off to see what the return fire looks like? why, cause it will be better no doubt ..as always, and the DVX suits me fine for now anyway. but when i see the cam .. ill know it. it will glow. and i will run up and caress it in my hands, and pour sweet caramel over its lense, and we will ride a horse into the sunset where we will sip wine from the petals of an endangerd orchid just as a meteor shower
adds its sparkle to the aurora borealis, and a whale in the harbor breaches surface and jumps over the moon.

anyway.... ..... ... and some more dots here> ...
 
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[quote author=iamloser link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=60#61 date=09/28/04 at 10:58:24]
but when i see the cam .. ill know it. it will glow. and i will run up and caress it in my hands, and pour sweet caramel over its lense, and we will ride a horse into the sunset where we will sip wine from the petals of an endangerd orchid just as a meteor shower
adds its sparkle to the aurora borealis, and a whale in the harbor breaches surface and jumps over the moon.

anyway.... ..... ... and some more dots here> ... [/quote]

sounds like a commercial for some sort herpe or yeast infection medication. When do you list the side effects?........
 
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..ive read that. but who wants to have to try and hack into their camera to get it to do what they want, when other manufacturers (or perhaps even SONY itself with the pro version) will no doubt release 24/30p HDV cams in a little while.


..rich lol :P there will be no side effects. i will use fat free caramel!
 
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maybe this is why we're waiting to see the xl2's 24p footage:P:

xl2black.jpg
 
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Hey, I've got an XL2 sitting on my desk here at work and a DVX100A sitting on my desk at home. I'll bring one to the other, put 'em in a Cinegamma Cinematrix ring and have 'em duke it out. Footage up tommorrow or Thursday. Word up, I'm curious myself.
 
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Okay. Here is some footage for you.

One video is the XL2 in 16x9, Cinegamma ON, Cinecolor On, Color gain +2. All other settings are default. I just got my replacement XL2 at 6:15 this evening and after assembling it I went out and shot this footage. It was turning to dark and it was cloudy so no magic hour footage. Just some "almost dark" to dark footage. No gain was used on any of these and the shutter is 1/48. Because of time constraints I had to do run and gun so no tripod and no really great composition. I tried to focus on motion as many have commented on the 24p not looking so much like film. So forgive the sloppiness.

The second video is one that I shot at work to do a comparison between the DVX and XL2 in the exact same environment. It will alternate between 16x9 and 4x3 pillarboxed in 16x9 for the DVX footage. I didn't have a DVX100A or anamorphic adapter to compare. Since the significant benefit of the XL2 is 16x9 clarity I decided to do it this way. It also gives a chance to see the field of view of the XL2 in comparison. Also both were white balanced on the same whiteboard except for the outside footage where the Xl2 color balance is off. Also....the time of day is different so that affects the colors.Now....this one is really sloppy as it was never intended to be viewed by anyone but me. I used it to compare colors and sharpness and ultimately decided on the XL2.

Now before I get flamed I was actually still in love with my DVX when I shot this and was reassurring myself that the DVX100 was the girl for me. So I was extra careful to make sure everything was set right for the DVX to have a fair chance! But ultimately the Xl2 stole my heart.

In the 2nd clip I use the default f6 preset of the DVX and same settings on the DVX listed above.

Please don't criticize the cinematoraphy and realize I mainly did this so those of you who have been craving 24p cine footage can see it. In all fairness the cinegamma does not have a major effect on the image the way the DVX does. IT is subtle but works. BUt if you want the "saturated colors" of the DVX you may have to tweak in post.

These 2 files are .wmv files renamed to .wmvx so that you are forced to download them and not stream them. Just rename the extension and enjoy. Hope you see the potential of the Xl2 but don't expect the cine settings to blow your doors off. Also if anyone else wants to host these feel free as I know that this is going to p**s off my webhost because of the bandwidth.

Thanks

file1=30mb

www.iciclestudios.com/images/gandi/xl2_cine_24p.wmvx

and

file2=59mb

www.iciclestudios.com/images/gandi/xl2-dvx-cine-compare.wmvx
 
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[quote author=CTP link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=60#69 date=09/29/04 at 04:17:54]Wow! Thanks iceman!

To me, the XL2 footage seems sharper and more crisp.
How does it look to others?[/quote]

Yes, the image looks very crisp and very sharp. Better than the DVX. But, the cinelook of the XL2 looks like great looking video.

All the best

Fidel.
 
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Great stuff icecle22!

The XL2 footage does look a lot sharper and natural-like compared to the DVX. The DVX had an almost a muddy appearance. However, I still saw chromatic aberration (purplish fringe) present in the XL2 images.

Overall, you did a fine job of comparing the two.

Thanks.
 
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[quote author=icicle22 link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=60#68 date=09/28/04 at 20:31:49]Okay. Here is some footage for you.

[/quote]

Thanks, Marty! That did it for me. We're going with the XL2!
:)

--Ralph
 
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I wasn't trying to convince anyone to get the XL2 over the DVX. I made that decision based on my own needs.

The DVX still seems to have a little more "mojo" as far as the in-camera look of film. But the Xl2 seems to have more resolution and overall potential. I really believe that I can get the look of the DVX with the clarity of the XL2 using post production software. Also 16x9 is a major need for me and I didn't want to hassle with the anamorphic adapter. The only thing I really miss from the DVX now is the 3.5" LCD and the manual zoom which I use sometimes for effects.....you know.....really, really fast snap to shots.

Also....that chromatic aberation in the outside shots was partly my fault. The sky was overexposed quite a bit and my color balance was off. Way to much reds in that shot. However having said that the Xl2 does seem slightly more prone to this and you need to watch out for it. But other shots I did in a similar situation don't show anywhere near that much, if at all.
 
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What problem causes the purple chromatic abberation? Packing too many pixels on a CCD? The 20x lens?
 
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[quote author=Shaw link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=60#74 date=09/29/04 at 06:53:39]What problem causes the purple chromatic abberation?  Packing too many pixels on a CCD?  The 20x lens?  [/quote]

I have no idea. I just point and shoot. Mybe some other technophobe might know the answer to this.
 
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[quote author=icicle22 link=board=XL2;num=1095718263;start=60#73 date=09/29/04 at 06:53:34]I wasn't trying to convince anyone to get the XL2 over the DVX. I made that decision based on my own needs. ...



[/quote]

So, does that mean you'll send Canon's commission check back?
;D

Seriously, you did help--after a lot of research and consideration here--to firm up our decision. While the DVX might or might not have more "mojo" in the camera, it looks like the higher resolution of the XL2 lends itself more to post production which, IMHO, makes it the better (or at least more flexible) choice for us.

Thanks again for posting.

--Ralph
 
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The funny thing is that I think I was on Canons bad side! I posted some "colorless" images that I captured when I first got the XL2 and posted them over on the DVinfo.net boards and asked opinions about and and even inquired if it might be defective. It started a huge debate about colors and qulaity of the camera that even spilled over here!

I got calls....yes direct to my house.....from several Canon Reps and even an employee trying to help. While they did help I couldn't help but get the feeling that I kinda P**sed then off by posting negative comments so soon before giving the camera a fair chance. The truth is I learned how to "milk" the camera for some really good images and probably was too reactionary with my early posts.

But right out of the box....default settings it does seem a little flat in the color department. especially compared to the DVX in Cine mode.

Peace!
 
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