POLL: How much will Red cost?

POLL: How much will Red cost?

  • under $10,000

    Votes: 48 32.0%

  • under $20,000

    Votes: 45 30.0%

  • $20,000-$45,000

    Votes: 29 19.3%

  • $50,000-$100000

    Votes: 28 18.7%
  • Total voters
    150
How modular will the RED be?

How modular will the RED be?

There are many people in this forum who claim the RED will be a 50 to 200!!!K camera. We shouldn´t forget that this forum was created for and by people that mostly work with a DVX. Now HD is a topic so the RED is in the right place here but we should think about what we REALLY need and what the RED might be able to offer to us. Most people who say the RED will be a very expensive camera say it because it is able to shoot in 4k. Most of these people know much more than I do so I assume they are probably right. So I started to think "How much of a RED we might get for a lower budged?" Because this camera is really compelling - only the dead don´t want to get it:

The people who are developing the RED claim that it will be modular. How modular? I think, because there are no moving parts in this camera anymore, the RED will be, basically seen, a computercase with a lensmount. It might be a beautifully designed lightweight case but it still will be just a hollow case. You would fix the lenses you want to use, you would insert the sensor you need (a single sensor should be easily changeable, just like you change a 35mm roll), there should be slots waiting for the additional electronic gears needed for data processing and/or compression. So you might build a SD camera, a 720p camera, a 1080p camera or a 4K camera - each one a RED - but, compared one to an other, they would be very, very different REDs.

Maybe this is the answer why the RED is present in a forum like this where people discuss how to work with a low budget. Maybe everybody here is right: There will be a 10k RED AND there will be a 100 or even 200K RED. It might simply depend on how you see it and how you build it.

So, do you think it will be possible in the near future to build a 10K RED in this modular way? If WE do without 4k though the RED does?
 
if thats the way theyre planning this, it would be hella revolutionary.

and if only Red ever produced the various modules they could get huge huge revenues over years with upgrades.

they could even sell the case at a loss to start with.

yes, yes, yes.

if thats the plan, its very solid. (if not Jim Jannard is reading this and scrapping the original in favour of it)


also... what i wanna know... will it actually be red? i hate gaudy electronics. :'(
 
I don't think it will cost more than 10k body only
it is modular....so you can choose the best way to backup the file
and I think you can connect dirctly to a pc like andromeda with mac mini
and consider the digital slr
....now you can shoot more than 10 single images/sec in jpg format until the flash card
if full and are 700$ (panasonic lumix line 9pics/sec leica lens....):happy:
how many time did we have to wait until one of these product arrive to
shoot 24 single pics on a 4 sd card slot in raid 1 mode (like the p2 technology):cheesy: ? I think not much....or better transfer directly to a pc through firewire port and a software that can link the individual frame!...the price targhet is fixed max about 2-3K range price!
so I think that the future is not the video hardwere company but the combination of video and photo company knowledge what we have to look at, if we want that our shoot will be like film

Matteo Pozzi

...sorry for my poor english
 
maybe if i work for one whole year, and i sell a lung and give some sperm i'll be able to afford this. Perhaps a kydney to.. how much do those go for these days? This cam is for people who have lots of money, nobody else but high class film makers will be able to have this cam. Again great cam, highed priced. I think a reasonable price is under 5k.
 
There are millions of low-payed people who drive a car and pollute our planet. Why not sell your car in stead of a lung and buy a RED??? Fight visual pollution, buy a good cam! (Or a DVX, HVX, Viper etc...)
 
As others have said, Red will probably be a modular based system. That being said, then there will be a base price that gets you the custom ASIC chipset which will pull the data off of the (hopefully cmos) sensor at the whatever framerate you set via the software/menu selection given.

The software itself maybe modular as well. Maybe the DV formatted 19 to 25Mbits is sold at $495.00, 50Mbits and under at $795.00 and so on.

Add the lens mount system of your choice (all based on price point) and you really might have a nice system with unheard of colorspace/price/performance for under $15,000.00.

If Jaun can juice up the chipset of a DVX100 series and produce the Andromeda product, then I think it is fair to say RED may blow us all away.

I shoot with a Canon 1DMK2 (an 8.3 megapixel camera) in Adobe RGB color space at 8-10fps with slow shutter speeds for enhanced motion effects and it imports into Final cut just great. The cool part is that I have a Photoshop Action that allows me to bring in my stuff at any aspect ratio I choose. So hopefully, and it has been alluded to anyway, the Red system software will be able to do this on the fly, or in post. Just imagine being able to do Kens Burns motion passes over your 24p by 4K images. Framing, reframing and post options will be mind blowing, so yes buy stock in the storage sector. We are going to need it.
--

Rob
 
The University of Tennessee gives $80,000 if you give up a testical for med. testing!!

I'm thinking of it this way..if I sell one. that's only 1 billon less sperm from the original 2 billion!-- I think that's still enough for fertilization in the near future if I ever decide to!!! :P

And they give free prosthetic replacements! (for those who would feel funny walking around with just one!)

me and my love for cameras--damn

G. Kumar Sharma
 
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govindaBLU said:
The University of Tennessee gives $80,000 if you give up a testical for med. testing!!

I'm thinking of it this way..if I sell one. that's only 1 billon less sperm from the original 2 billion!-- I think that's still enough for fertilization in the near future if I ever decide to!!! :P

And they give free prosthetic replacements! (for those who would feel funny walking around with just one!)

me and my love for cameras--damn

G. Kumar Sharma
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um... umm..... .... *gasp* uhhhhh. hrmmmm. puhhhh? hrmmmmm? ahhhh.. uh.... huh?
 
is the RED camera a concept? like is this monster hitting stores this year?
I just don’t see it being cheap under 15k. First off the only reason why xl,
hvx, HD100 or the sony HDV’s are under 10k is because the companies are
manufacturing at economies of scale. If RED doesn’t have a big Japanese
backer or a high volume manufacturer that could streamline and integrate the
RED camera into their operations that camera is going to cost 10s of
thousands like >50K
 
joe 1008 said:
There are many people in this forum who claim the RED will be a 50 to 200!!!K camera. We shouldn´t forget that this forum was created for and by people that mostly work with a DVX. Now HD is a topic so the RED is in the right place here but we should think about what we REALLY need and what the RED might be able to offer to us. Most people who say the RED will be a very expensive camera say it because it is able to shoot in 4k. Most of these people know much more than I do so I assume they are probably right. So I started to think "How much of a RED we might get for a lower budged?" Because this camera is really compelling - only the dead don´t want to get it:

The people who are developing the RED claim that it will be modular. How modular? I think, because there are no moving parts in this camera anymore, the RED will be, basically seen, a computercase with a lensmount. It might be a beautifully designed lightweight case but it still will be just a hollow case. You would fix the lenses you want to use, you would insert the sensor you need (a single sensor should be easily changeable, just like you change a 35mm roll), there should be slots waiting for the additional electronic gears needed for data processing and/or compression. So you might build a SD camera, a 720p camera, a 1080p camera or a 4K camera - each one a RED - but, compared one to an other, they would be very, very different REDs.

Maybe this is the answer why the RED is present in a forum like this where people discuss how to work with a low budget. Maybe everybody here is right: There will be a 10k RED AND there will be a 100 or even 200K RED. It might simply depend on how you see it and how you build it.

So, do you think it will be possible in the near future to build a 10K RED in this modular way? If WE do without 4k though the RED does?
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Good points. We are hoping the same opinion from him (Jim Jannard).
 
I dont know what the price will be but its gotta be one hell of a twist on economics if this camera is even around 10k. But remember, Jim isnt an idiot, hes not the kinda guy that would hang out here and waste his time just to shock us with a $100,000 price tag.

But.. the HVX is even modular to some degree, its very easy to turn the HVX into a $30,000 camera. I think the idea of starting with some sort of affordable base, and buying addons as we go along, is the best solution for it's targeted demographic.
 
Jarred Land said:
But.. the HVX is even modular to some degree, its very easy to turn the HVX into a $30,000 camera.
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That's so true... I can't believe how much I've already invested into the system! FF, mattebox, monitor mounts, a 35 adapter... MTV really needs to start airing "Pimp My Camera" soon...
 
Haakon said:
That's so true... I can't believe how much I've already invested into the system! FF, mattebox, monitor mounts, a 35 adapter... MTV really needs to start airing "Pimp My Camera" soon...
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Yeah, and it should definately be red! (Just beware with the camera reflections!)

sred31ez.jpg
 
If this camera is supposed to be a quantum leap in technology that skips sequential steps to achieve technological advancement then I want this camera available at a low price point that skips sequential discounts. Thats why I voted for the under $10,000 price point because sooner or later that is what the camera will eventually sell for so it might as well be sooner.
 
androbot2084 said:
If this camera is supposed to be a quantum leap in technology that skips sequential steps to achieve technological advancement then I want this camera ....
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I dont think i have ever head the words "quantum leap in technology" and "technological advancement" used to describe cheap.

I think if Red was going to be cheap, in the sub $10,000 range, they would of used 1/3 chips. But Red doesnt want to be cheap, they want to be the affordable. I guess, in retrospect, if you compare it to a Viper or F900 and the RED comes in (crossing my fingers) under 50k, then yeah, you could call it cheap if that floats your boat.
 
if you think it will be under $10k...

if you think it will be under $10k...

:Drogar-Evil(DBG):I have a bridge I could sell you :P

If they can actually put out a functional 4k box that has a pl mount on front and is portable, and it is 60% or less of the cost to rent or buy of an Origin, Viper or Genesis, then Mr. Jannard will have a market.

If the camera is in un the sub-$50k range, I think he'll have a large market.

But please: the little laptop array they will likely have - parts only - will be a few thousand, much less the sensor, controller, housing, etc.

So: anything under $50k counts as revolutionary - anything under $100k and the camera will be available to rent all over the place for the same price or less than a varicam.

And all of the shops with F900 and Varicam packages will be pissed :)

I wonder why they chose 4k, seems like a weird decision. Perhaps it was only incrementally more expensive, and you can easily subsample..

Very interested to see what shows up @ NAB. It will heavily influence my decision about an HVX200 purchase.

_a
 
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