FS7: PMW FS5 Announced.
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morgan_moore
Major Contributor
EI - no.
'DV' shooting Yep - my job tomorrow Im looking at my 7 and quaking in my boots for lugging it around - trying to see a way to make it light - like shoot 4k and leave my 50-300 at home!
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'DV' shooting Yep - my job tomorrow Im looking at my 7 and quaking in my boots for lugging it around - trying to see a way to make it light - like shoot 4k and leave my 50-300 at home!
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Erik Wittbusch
Well-known member
I'd like the FS7 to be smaller...
That's where the FS5 really shines. It can have a really small footprint
for long handheld operation.
Personally, I find the FS7 to big and heavy for all day handheld operation.
Yes, you can put it on your shoulder, but this is a much to high position
for doco work for me...
Really looking forward,
Erik
That's where the FS5 really shines. It can have a really small footprint
for long handheld operation.
Personally, I find the FS7 to big and heavy for all day handheld operation.
Yes, you can put it on your shoulder, but this is a much to high position
for doco work for me...
Really looking forward,
Erik
Liam Hall
Veteran
FS7 sensor is ISO2000, so there must be some internal processing bumping up that native ISO.
AndreeOnline
Veteran
Isn't the FS7 supposed to go on the shoulder with the handle extender? I hadn't thought it would be such a struggle to schlepp around?
The design of the body looks to be more in-line with what Canon is producing with the cinema line(which thousands of filmmakers seem to love). If they can revamp the menu system within the NEX lineup they would likely see greater success
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Ive got a twisted set of logic that means I tend to build cameras - maybe I should go naked some time.
That logic?
-wanna see and focus?
need a 1080 monitor (502 +batteries)
-wanna record sound and monitor it?
need mic, lav, cans
-wanna hold a stable shot?
need a rig
-wanna tell the story?
need 16mm - 200mm glass
-got a long lens?
need to support it
-wanna not look like a plum?
need spare batts for everything
The load builds fast.
I see people shooting with a 5d and a rode mic and im kind of impressed.. I just would not dare do it!
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cuervo
Veteran
The latest reviews of the C300 II are really slamming the unwieldly form factor of this camera. Many pros are fed up with the problems of a fully rigged camera in this design. This retrograde, "Bolex" look is faddish and rediculous for serious shooters. Sony is just selling cameras without thought to useability. And the prosumer public rants and raves about them. Sad.
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Yikes, if I always worked like that nothing would get done. There is a time and place to have everything rigged up, you should try to think outside the box and utilize a more bare bones setup on occasion. You would be surprised at what you can do with a camera and a good top handle
Nirv
Carbonite Member
No CineEI yet it has SGamut3.cine so that might be good for FS7 owners wanting it in Custom mode.
Unwieldy platform? I've shot hundreds of a projects on a MK I and loved every minute with that camera(including the few times I had to have it on my shoulder). I don't relate to your comment at all, as all the "pros" and "serious shooters" I know absolutely love operating the c300. Maybe news and broadcast folks feel differently, don't know many of them. But as far as documentary, narrative and short form commercial work go, all I've heard is positive feedback in regards to form factor.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Yikes, if I always worked like that nothing would get done. There is a time and place to have everything rigged up, you should try to think outside the box and utilize a more bare bones setup on occasion. You would be surprised at what you can do with a camera and a good top handle
Actually im gonna go with a 135 prime tomorrow not a bigger zoom but really for 'kids playing' Im desiring to park myself back on sticks and pick off stuff with a 300.
As for top handle shooting.. that seems to work with 1/3 sensor cams like the EX1 kind of get in on everything for that TV look - but once you are in DOF/No IS world it doesn't really seem to gel.
The job tommorrow would be nice on the FS5.. 10-24, 24-105, or even just 17-55+crop mode
The small mass and crop mode would be perfect.
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cuervo
Veteran
I think the diff in opinion is a function of how the camera is rigged. Once the C300 is fully rigged for tripod use, it's a rube goldberg beast. Shoulder mounted, it works, as you've pointed out, Leo.
To quote Dan Chung, "The upright form factor makes for easy handholding without a rig, but if you want to balance the camera on your shoulder then you need extra third party gear".
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
I think there are really two schools of shooting.
'proper'/serious' and 'gut cam'
Which tends to want a proper shoulder mount camera mainly to present perfect eyeline when shooting tight - IMO the C series (and FS5!) are terrible for this
There is another 'gut cam' school more around reality and also using a monopod or skinny sticks and often a crappy slider (which wont support a shoulder cam)
Shooting 'proper' as a solo op is a challenge (esp without a cabrio) and to some extent maybe we need revisit which style works in todays climate.
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'proper'/serious' and 'gut cam'
Which tends to want a proper shoulder mount camera mainly to present perfect eyeline when shooting tight - IMO the C series (and FS5!) are terrible for this
There is another 'gut cam' school more around reality and also using a monopod or skinny sticks and often a crappy slider (which wont support a shoulder cam)
Shooting 'proper' as a solo op is a challenge (esp without a cabrio) and to some extent maybe we need revisit which style works in todays climate.
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Nirv
Carbonite Member
If you're shooting events and fast moving Doco then a video camera is a far better choice. I'd be getting one of Sony's handheld video gut cams as a B cam to the FS7 long before the FS5.
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
Well I have an EX1
You have this odd thing like 'cinematic event coverage' or suchlike - but I want to add sound (spoken audio) as I hate stuff that is just some art/dross over some music.
There is a duality - in prep the director wants 'cinematic' and on location it is 'ooooh punch in on that sweet little kid'
So it is a mix of 'traditional' and 'modern toss' - trying to get that content and have it look nice - it all adds up to a combo that doesnt quite work technically- as I said the 5d-vid mic people seem to have it down but I kind of don't know how!
EX1+GH4 is a possibility!
The FS5 with a couple of well selected lenses (S16 zoom and a 50 1.4?) with its low mass, SDI for an EFV, XLRs, could potentially cross a nice barrier.
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You have this odd thing like 'cinematic event coverage' or suchlike - but I want to add sound (spoken audio) as I hate stuff that is just some art/dross over some music.
There is a duality - in prep the director wants 'cinematic' and on location it is 'ooooh punch in on that sweet little kid'
So it is a mix of 'traditional' and 'modern toss' - trying to get that content and have it look nice - it all adds up to a combo that doesnt quite work technically- as I said the 5d-vid mic people seem to have it down but I kind of don't know how!
EX1+GH4 is a possibility!
The FS5 with a couple of well selected lenses (S16 zoom and a 50 1.4?) with its low mass, SDI for an EFV, XLRs, could potentially cross a nice barrier.
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Nirv
Carbonite Member
Well I have an EX1
You have this odd thing like 'cinematic event coverage' or suchlike - but I want to add sound (spoken audio) as I hate stuff that is just some art/dross over some music.
There is a duality - in prep the director wants 'cinematic' and on location it is 'ooooh punch in on that sweet little kid'
So it is a mix of 'traditional' and 'modern toss' - trying to get that content and have it look nice - it all adds up to a combo that doesnt quite work technically- as I said the 5d-vid mic people seem to have it down but I kind of don't know how!
EX1+GH4 is a possibility!
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I know exactly what you mean.
The proposed S16 HD centre crop will get you closer to that ideal, well, if it can be engaged by reprogramming a user button rather than rebooting the camera!!!
morgan_moore
Major Contributor
The FS5 has electronic zoom from the off, mix that with low mass and it is interesting to be honest.
of course that is today.. when Im prepping for a certain job tomorrow, next week, next job Ill be all about a chunky codec EI and luts!
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of course that is today.. when Im prepping for a certain job tomorrow, next week, next job Ill be all about a chunky codec EI and luts!
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